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Mirthful glee I suspect will be the theme of this thread!
"God fight Al-Jazeera," railed one militant Web posterMilitant Web poster....I think that term speaks volumes. Once the jihad has been reduced to 'militant web posting' I think we won.
Oh dear, the wheels have fallen off the Al Qaeda Message Control Bus. Oops.
Doesn't Al-Jazeera know that running anything critical is giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Who do they think they are, the MSM?
I'm thinking Al-Jazeera won't be too popular in the Caliphate
Hoosier Daddy,Winning, yes, thanks to stalwart Americans unwilling to surrender in Iraq - but won? Not yet.That won't stop those who wanted to fail in Iraq from asserting responsibility for our eventual victory, just as they claim responsibility for winning the Cold War too...
Winning, yes, thanks to stalwart Americans unwilling to surrender in Iraq - but won? Not yet.True...but the it is hard to imagine the trends reversing anytime soon.Like Lincoln, Bush has finally found the right general. History speaks volumes here.
Speaking of OBL...somebody explain why he's still alive after reading this:Col. David Hunt (ret.) on FOXNews.com"Besides, these things are of little consequence when you realize how we missed, squandered, screwed up, made a mess of and were massively risk adverse - again - when we did not kill Usama bin Laden in Afghanistan just two short months ago.We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty - which is huge in the world of intelligence - that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations.We had the world’s best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies.We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger."*Two months ago...in the cross hairs...and he's still releasing tapes?
Bin Laden is as dead as Elvis.
Lucky, still believing every little thing you read after the do-not-call debacle?
Speaking of OBL...somebody explain why he's still alive after reading this:Heh...look who's citing a Fox news analyst for his purposes. Next thing it'll be the scriptures.
JohnAnnArbor,Exactly WHAT do YOU believe?Anything other than what you already think is so?And why would a retired Colonel lie about something like this?P.S. Genitalia: Yeah...Osama's dead.Keep on suckin'.
Hoosier,I'll ask YOU the same question I asked your idiotic buddy: Why would a retired Colonel lie about this?Are you saying you don't think we should kill Osama?You people get dumber by the day.
Hoosier, Genitalia, Johnannabor,Here's the man you're calling a liar:Colonel David Hunt brings has over 29 years of military experience including extensive operational experience in Special Operations, Counter Terrorism and Intelligence Operations.Most recently, Colonel Hunt served as Tactical Advisor in Bosnia where he facilitated all national intelligence matters for the Commander in Chief. Prior to this, he served as counter terrorism coordinator to the Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea. In this capacity, Colonel Hunt planned, choreographed and implemented the first United States national response for an Olympic event in Korea in conjunction with Korean National Intelligence and the Korean Crisis Response Agency.He has served as a security advisor for the Federal Bureau of Investigation as well as state and local police officials.*What have any of YOU ever done for our country?
Are you saying you don't think we should kill Osama?....Hoosier, Genitalia, Johnannabor,Here's the man you're calling a liar:Hey Lucky, I know reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits but if you look back on my comment, I didn't call Col. Hunt a liar. In fact, I didn't call him anything. I was merely pointing out the irony in you using a Fox news analyst as source for you to make a point. Why didnt' they pull the trigger? I dunno and it doesn't appear the good Colonel doesn't either other than to chalk it up to incompetence. Considering the RoE our troops are under, I wouldn't be surprised if there were gasp...women and children in Osama's convoy. Heck, we had a Predator with Hellfire's taking pictures of about 100 Taliban holding a funeral service and the controllers were denied permission to engage.Maybe it was Bush's compassionate conservatism.
Lucky only believes military experts when it suits Lucky's current stalking points.Get a life and go away you dimwit.
AJ Lynch,You're full of shit...as ususal.I believe military people who are honest and not tied directly to the politics of the Bush administration.Many generals have faulted Rummy, etc., but all were also fired or forced into early retirement.If you think Hunt is a liar, that's your prerogative, but he appears to be stating the facts as he knows them.HOOSIER: I know what you said. I read all kinds of things published in all kinds of publications...and never said I didn't watch or read Fox. It's a source I feel is slanted right (just as Huffington, Slate, etc. is slanted left), but they still produce articles and interviews of interest. My primary criticism with Fox are the talking heads; Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter and a few others.
Considering the RoE our troops are under, I wouldn't be surprised if there were gasp...women and children in Osama's convoy.Good point. Hey Lucky, how many kids would you kill to get Osama?What if they were cute? And their heads displayed on Arab TV for the next year straight?Quick. You've got 15 seconds to make up your mind.
JohnAnnArbor asks: "Hey Lucky, how many kids would you kill to get Osama?"How many innocent "women & kids" have died in Iraq so far...asshole.The argument is ludicrous at best.How many bombs have we dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan...and when have YOU or anybody else here ever even mentioned the possibility that innocent men, women and kids were being killed?? (And we know they are.)Grow up, dickhead...and try reading something before you blather on about things you know little about.
My, MY! Aren't we testy when presented with a little reality! Sometimes the bad guys hide with civilians (in fact, the present enemy SEEKS to). Then people like you blame the Americans, not the cowardly killers who play hide-and-seek in nursery schools, when the civilians end up dead. Our commanders are well aware of that phenomenon. Your fifteen seconds are up. Did you shoot Osama, Lucky? How many photogenic kids went with him?Oh, and can you PROVE Osama was there? New problem! Can't parade his body without being accused of triumphialism or offending Islamic sensibilities or whatever; can't NOT show it or the world says you're lying!
JohnAnnArbor said..."My, MY! Aren't we testy when presented with a little reality!"Again: How man innocent men, women and kids have already killed??*As for whether Osama was really there...how the fuck would I know? I posted the comments of a knowledgeable source and you think he's lying.And if you want some "photogenic kids"...why not call up some of the families of our fallen and wounded soldiers? I'm sure they have some nice photos you can see...asshole.
You posted the comments trying to imply that "the administration" had Osama in his sights and, whether purposely or through incompetence, let him get away. When presented with a few real-life nuances that our military deal with daily, you freaked out. It says a lot about you, actually; you obviously can't handle too many complications when you think about these issues. Well, the guys doing the fighting do, all the time. And the left have nothing but condemnation for America whenever al Jazeera reports another wedding was bombed. (Never mind if it REALLY was a wedding; too complex to think about. ChimpyBusHalliburton!)
JohnAnnArbor said..."You posted the comments trying to imply that "the administration" had Osama in his sights and, whether purposely or through incompetence, let him get away. When presented with a few real-life nuances that our military deal with daily, you freaked out."I posted the comments of a retired military Colonel...NOT my personal comments regarding what was evidfently a potential shot at killing Osama Bin Laden. As for the "nuances" of war, I realize there are plenty of situations where we do or do not attempt specific military operations...but...when the President says: "dead or alive"...I assume we'll take our shot when the possibility arises. *We certainly exactly that during the "shock and awe" campaign...and I don't remember wing nuts like yourself screaming to high heaven about innocent "kids" being killed.I have no idea what your point is...other whining about the "left" or arguing against anything you don't want to believe.So...fuck off.
Lucky:I did not suggest nor do I believe Colonel Hunt is a liar. I said YOU will only believe a military expert WHEN it suits your agenda. Otherwise you look down on the military but of course that is a liberal trait which you exhibit best.
I have no idea what your point isYour dimness is not a surprise, nor is your hatefulness. Oversimplifying problems, then exploding when being called on it, is all part of that.Funny but your "shock and awe" comment betrays even more ignorance. Remember Iraqis driving around Baghdad even when bombs fell? Reporters asked them why they were out, taking chances like that. The answer was that they trusted that, mostly, the bombs were falling on government buildings and such. "Shock and awe" wasn't WWII Dresden-style area bombing, as you'd like to think. It was, hit their military hard, quickly and precisely and it will collapse.Which it did, about three days after lefties were predicting Baghdad would turn into Stalingrad.
AJ Lynch said..."I said YOU will only believe a military expert WHEN it suits your agenda. Otherwise you look down on the military but of course that is a liberal trait which you exhibit best."Provide one shred of evidence to support your bullshit.
Again: How man innocent men, women and kids have already killed??I guess it depends on the source. I've heard anywhere from 60,000 civilian deaths to 750,000. Lets say for argument's sake it's somewhere in the middle. In any event it's irrelevant to John's question. Now, why don't you answer John's question honestly. You have a 70% shot at getting Osama in a village but you also know there is a high probability there are women and children in there. Do you drop a Tommahawk on there or not?Yes or no. It's a simple question really.
And Lucky:How do you determine which military people are the honest ones? Have you perfected the lie detector? If so, I hope you are getting it patented.
Provide one shred of evidence to support your bullshit.You think Pretraeus is a lackey yet is the only General who has shown any results since the fall of Baghdad.Next.
JohnAnnArbor says: "...nor is your hatefulness."Look, dumbfuck...I posted comments from a military expert...that you immediately disputed for no apparent reason...other than not wanting to believe anything you don't already think is so.If YOU think the man is lying...that's up to you.As for "hatefulness"...again...I have no idea what you're talking about.Your comments just keep getting dumber and dumber and dumber...
Lucky:Here is my evidence that libs generally don't support the military:Jimmy Carter/ Howard Dean/ The Clintons/ Rep. Pete Stark/ Dick Durbin/ Dennis Kucinich/ Nancy Pelosi/ etc.
Al quaeda sounds a lot like the right, blaming the media for their failures.
Oh and Lucky, just for the record, if it was my decision, I'd drop a FAE on a convoy, village or day care center in Whateverstan if there was a 70% chance Osama was there. I'd do it forthrightly and without hesitation.Because I'm a heartless bastard? Well maybe but I do realize we're in a war and in war bad things happen. We killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during WW2 including those we liberated because it was unavoidable. The difference is that we don't specifically make a point of targeting civilians for the sole purpose of killing them. What I see from your side of the aisle is a lot of forked tongue. One one hand the restrictive RoE we subscribe to is because of the lefties who go into fits over every civilian casualty. Yet, Colonel Hunt says we had a 70% shot at Osama and now suddenly the left finds its balls and wonders why we didn't saturate bomb the area.That's why debating some of this stuff is pointless.om
Prof. Groeteschele: In my opinion they will take no action at all. Gen. Stark: They're not going to just sit there, Professor Prof. Groeteschele: I think if our bombers get through the Russians will surrender. Gen. Bogan: Who's this professor, Mr. Secretary? What's he doing there? Defense Secretary Swenson: Professor Groeteschele is a civilian advisor to the Pentagon, General. Will you explain your statement, Professor? Prof. Groeteschele: The Russian aim is to dominate the world. They think that Communism must succeed eventually if the Soviet Union is left reasonably intact. They know that a war would leave the Soviet Union utterly destroyed. Therefore, they would surrender. Gen. Stark: But suppose they feel they can knock us off first? Prof. Groeteschele: They know we might have a doomsday system, missiles that would go into action days, even weeks after a war is over and destroy an enemy even after that enemy has already destroyed us. Brigadier General Warren A. Black: Maybe they'll think that even capitalists aren't that insane, to want to kill after they themselves have been killed. Prof. Groeteschele: These are Marxist fanatics, not normal people. They do not reason they way you reason, General Black. They're not motivated by human emotions such as rage and pity. They are calculating machines. They will look at the balance sheet, and they will see they cannot win. Defense Secretary Swenson: Then you suggest doing what? Prof. Groeteschele: [leans forward] Nothing. Defense Secretary Swenson: Nothing? Prof. Groeteschele: The Russians will surrender, and the threat of Communism will be over, forever. Gen. Bogan: That's a lot of hogwash. Don't kid yourself, there'll be Russian generals who will react just as I would - the best defense is a good offense. They see trouble coming up, take my word for it, they'll attack, and they won't give a damn what Marx said. Prof. Groeteschele: Mr. Secretary, I am convinced that the moment the Russians know bombs will fall on Moscow, they will surrender. They know that whatever they do then, they cannot escape destruction. Don't you see, sir, this our chance. We never would have made the first move deliberately, but Group 6 has made it for us, by accident. We must take advantage of it - history demands it. We must advise the President not to recall those planes. (Fail Safe 1964
Are you saying you don't think we should kill Osama?It is one of the many strange things about Republican Party loyalists who still like Bush: They love attacking Clinton for not capturing or killing Bin Laden *before* 9/11 (I'm with them on this), but they give Bush/Rumsfeld - and the rest of that incompetant lot - a pass for not going all-out to capture/kill Bin Laden *after* 9/11.
Yet, Colonel Hunt says we had a 70% shot at Osama and now suddenly the left finds its balls and wonders why we didn't saturate bomb the area.That's why debating some of this stuff is pointless.You pulled "saturate bomb" out of your butthole because you can't explain why this administration lost its focus and has blinked every time they had good chances at taking out the perpetrators of 9/11 in recent years...with aborted attacks that would've been far short of saturatuon bombing.
They're probably afraid that if they can prove OBL is dead, the Democratic Party will give up in the war against Islamic terror. Boy, are they stupid.
AJ Lynch said..."Lucky: Here is my evidence that libs generally don't support the military: Jimmy Carter/ Howard Dean/ The Clintons/ Rep. Pete Stark/ Dick Durbin/ Dennis Kucinich/ Nancy Pelosi/ etc.Oh, okay.Traitors, one and all, huh?Like I said...dumb, dumb, dumb.
Ralph said..."They're probably afraid that if they can prove OBL is dead, the Democratic Party will give up in the war against Islamic terror. Boy, are they stupid."Do you by chance...live with Maxine?Got anything for sale?
You pulled "saturate bomb" out of your butthole because you can't explain why this administration lost its focus and has blinked every time they had good chances at taking out the perpetrators of 9/11 in recent years...with aborted attacks that would've been far short of saturatuon bombing.Such as...?Define good chances that square with the RoE that is imposed on us? Put yourself in the position of the CO. You have a 70% probability that Osama is in a convoy or village that has a 33% chance of having 'innocents' in the area.Its your call. If you get him, you're a hero.If odds favor the 33% that he wasn't there and say, 3 kids and 2 moms and a goat are killed.Oops. You're brought up on charges for negligence and make NY Times front page.I kinda wonder if our guys are going on the "do ya feel lucky punk?' cause the alternative is 6 years in Leavenworth.
Lucky:You must be the dumbest puke when it comes to reading comprehension. I said these libs do not support the troops; that's a big difference from accusing anyone of being traitorous.You are one fing dumb stupid moron.
AJ Lynch said..."I said these libs do not support the troops; that's a big difference from accusing anyone of being traitorous. You are one fing dumb stupid moron."Oh, so not supporting the troops is not considered "traitorous" in your book? (And what in the world do you base the charge on...Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity?)And what does "fing" mean?Is that one of your imaginary words?
Lucky: And what does "fing" mean? Is that one of your imaginary words?Probably "f'ing" as in Lucky is one fucking dumb stupid moron who's been reduced to spelling flames.
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