January 18, 2008

"Were you embarrassed? I would be embarrassed."

Tyra Banks asks Hillary Clinton about Monica Lewinsky.

ADDED: Video disembedded.

46 comments:

dax said...

God, she lies with such ease!

Randy (Internet Ronin) said...

I must have missed the part where Tyra Banks was lying.

George said...

What lies did she say in that clip?

If her goal was to sway undecided poor and lower middle class female voters, she did a good job.

Horrible stuff to have to talk about, much less on TV.

She worked Tyra as smoothly as she wonkily did Russert.

Middle Class Guy said...

dax said:
God, she lies with such ease!

You obviously were not listening. She said it a couple of times-"You have to be true to yourself."

This was a very well scripted repartee. It gets the Lewinsky affair out in the open and allows Hillary to appear reasonable.

I was embarassed. It is embarassing that some mook in TV land polluted the air waves by giving Tyra Banks a show.

Trooper York said...

I don't know, if I have to choose between Tyra and Rosie, I will go for Tyra every time.

hdhouse said...

Give her a rest. That was honest and a dam reasonable answer and very very good advice. Some of you (above) are so knee-jerk in your prejudice it is very sad.

If she is elected, big if of course, but if she is, the worst thing for this country is that you just keep doing and saying and thinking like you are. There will be times when she will and should get hammered by critics. She knows that and thats the job. But to take a time when someone gives a thoughtful, sincere and honest answer to a boorish question is just plain wrong and you should know better. A lot better.

dax said...

George said: If her goal was to sway undecided poor and lower middle class female voters, she did a good job.

So that's who watches The Tyra Banks Show?
Oh, ok..............

Trooper York said...

hd, Hillary should expect just as much of a break as you are willing to give W. Let's break the mold and get out of the Clinton/Bush revovling door, or it's just going to be same old/same old. Just sayn'

George said...

More specificially, Hillary is undoubtedly on Tyra right now because black women are the key undecideds in South Carolina.

Hillary can't get Oprah, but she can get a positive boost from Tyra.

“‘Tyra’ is creatively targeted to younger women, specifically women 18-34, one of the toughest audience segments to reach,” says Bill Carroll, director of programming at Katz Television Group. “‘Tyra’ has had some early success in some key markets reaching those young women.”

Doyle said...

Give her a rest.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Someone should arrange a Pay-Per-View showdown between Ann and Chris Matthews. Call it "Clinton Obsess-Off 2008". They'd just start ranting, and whoever can bring themselves to stop first loses.

Trooper York said...

Why can't you Dems settle on a nice young man like Obama. He would be a much better candidate. I heard he took a summer off to build a convent for a bunch of German Nuns. What a great guy.

knoxwhirled said...

WTF is any candidate doing on the Tyra show? Sheesh. Going on Letterman, etc. is cringe-worthy enough.

SteveR said...

So blaming the VRWC must have been a well thought out decision. Since she must have known it was true, she was deciding to be deceptive for personal benefit. Because you should never make decisions in the heat of the moment without thinking what's best for you and your family.

rhhardin said...

The great part is the enraptured audience.

Stanley Cavell identifies fanaticism, seeking love beyond human conditions of loving, in particular, as the woman's mistake. It corresponds to the man's skepticism, seeking certainty beyond human conditions of knowing, as his all consuming mistake.

So throw some relationship talk out there and you get from women what you see in the video.

Which makes it wonderful comedy for a guy.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Well I'm waiting for Hillary to go on MTV and see if anyone asks her if she wears granny pants or thongs.

hdhouse said...

Trooper York..

you are very right in your observation. I know I am guilty of going after W. at every turn. I also think there is plenty to go after Hillary about as well. It doesn't make doing it right. It just means that it is pretty easy to do. Ahh the low road, the high road and the easy road.

Randy (Internet Ronin) said...

But to take a time when someone gives a thoughtful, sincere and honest answer to a boorish question is just plain wrong and you should know better. A lot better.

They do know better, but they don't care. Nothing you, I or anyone else says will ever matter to them. Such unbridled hatred, whether directed at her or GWB, is truly horrible to behold. I strikes me as being close to the epitome of self-indulgent behavior. Don't know about you, but I've gone from being disgusted, to bored, to angry, to "lock the derangement syndrome sufferers from the right and the left in a sound-proof room and let 'em have at it."

Someone should arrange a Pay-Per-View showdown between Ann and Chris Matthews. Call it "Clinton Obsess-Off 2008". They'd just start ranting, and whoever can bring themselves to stop first loses.

Never paid for PPV in my life, but I might actually consider watching that. Then again, Matthews would work himself up so much that he would literally explode into bits. Not a pretty sight.

Middle Class Guy said...

house and trooper,
What the hell would us upper middle aged libs and cons have to argue about, insult each other over, or try to get a good belly laugh one in a while if we did not have the Clintons and Bush.

What, we sould go back to those boring old Eisenhower days?

Yachira said...

A lesson on civil discourse from hdhouse:

"...the worst thing for this country is that you just keep doing and saying and thinking like you are. There will be times when she will and should get hammered by critics. She knows that and thats the job. But to take a time when someone gives a thoughtful, sincere and honest answer to a boorish question is just plain wrong and you should know better. A lot better."

Yes, it will be a terrible thing if. The worst thing for the country.

Also, it would be a real change for the worse from the past 8 years, where Chimpy McHitlerStein, I mean President Bush, has been treated so well by the Left.

Steven said...

Trooper: Was that the year before he married Spencer Tracy's and Katherine Hepburn's daughter?

Middle Class Guy said...

Trooper York said...
I heard he took a summer off to build a convent for a bunch of German Nuns.


I thought it was a home for German women getting none. My mistake.

Zeb Quinn said...

"Be true to yourself." A thoroughly focus group tested response no doubt. But step back and assay. What she's saying, apparently without the insight to even see that she's saying it, is that defending Bill, enabling him, taking charge of and overseeing the teams of slimers and private detectives to go after his victims, that was all "being true to herself" in Hillary's world.

SGT Ted said...

Zeb, that is spot on.

vnjagvet said...

This above all;

To thine own self be true.

And it must follow as the night the day,

That thou canst not be false to any man
.

I guess even that old fool Pelonius (through the Bard lo, those many years ago) had something in common with Hill!

AJ Lynch said...

Tyra Banks is a hottie! Why is this news to me? Gotta get out more.

Trooper York said...

Steve it was just after he spent a year in London teaching in a tough
London high school. They were a bunch of cheeky devils, but in the end they all fancied him.

PatCA said...

She's on Tyra Banks!? Good grief, what's next?

I guess not Oprah.

BTW Hillary looks ill at the end of that shameful display. She should.

ZPS said...

I hate Hillary...blah blah blah...HIllary is a liar...blah blah blah...deceptive...blah blah...conniving...blah...

Hope you guys are ready for 8 long years of repeating yourselves over and over and over!

So predictable!

Meade said...

I thought so too, PatCa. Either ill or evil. I'll have to take a second look.

From Inwood said...

I'd ask: Should a man with the sexual mental development of a 10-yr old be allowed to go hunting nubile women?

Meade said...

Okay, I watched a second time. BTW, what extended family? The dog and cat? Her ne'er-do-well brother Hugh? Her mother? I had to stop and dig deep and think about what was best for the Chelsea and the dog and cat and Hugh and Mother.

Also, I don't know about you but "I never doubted Bill's love for me" doesn't quite ring true to my ear. I could have easier believed, "It was tough, embarassing, you bet it was. I had trouble sleeping for weeks. Couldn't eat. I lost 20 pounds during those months. Bill had harassed other employees in the past... back in Arkansas. And during our college days, he stepped out on me a number of times - too many to count really. But I had to dig deep and rely on my deep faith and something I discovered when I was a student at Wellesley - always, above all else, be true to your own ambitions, your own self. Self matters you know? It really REALLY matters. Really. Matters. Also, don't get mad; get even. And most importantly - love means never having to say you're sorry for cheating or lying or doing anything that gets or keeps you in power. Just do your thing and you'll be queen, er, I mean senator. Heh... heh heh."

(pan camera to 18 -25 yr. old female audience going nuts and wetting their pants.)

Yeah, I'd say evil. Ill with evil.

Middle Class Guy said...

In a similar vein;
It seems that Hillary Clinton angered Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue. Hillary backed out of a pre-arranged and scheduled photo spread and article for Vogue magazine. Annie Lebovitz was supposed to do the photos. Hillary’s handlers decided Vogue is too elitist and Hillary would come off as too glamorous. Per LA Times and NY Post.

Ms. Wintour stated the following in her February Editorial:
"The notion that a contemporary woman must look mannish in order to be taken seriously as a seeker of power is frankly dismaying. How has our country come to this? ... This is America, not Saudi Arabia."

Maxine Weiss said...

"I'm not declaring favorites in this campaign"--Althouse

Oh? And so, your veiled insults rgarding Dr. Paul.......

I guess we are to interpret those as strictly objective observations ????

Middle Class Guy said...

Zps said
Hope you guys are ready for 8 long years of repeating yourselves over and over and over!


Let the fun begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hdhouse said:
Ahh the low road, the high road and the easy road.


And remember that sage advice Yogi Berra gave:
When ever you see a fork in the road, take it.

michaele said...

This is all fun and entertaining in a shallow perverse way but I hope we remember when it really matters that we are going to be voting for our future Commander in Chief...of our Armed Forces...not the Queen of Talk Shows

Simon said...

Middle Class Guy said...
"What the hell would us upper middle aged libs and cons have to argue about, insult each other over, or try to get a good belly laugh one in a while if we did not have the Clintons and Bush."

I know you're kidding, but even in jest it should be noted that with or without Clinton and Bush, the polarization will continue. Specific characters merely focus and concentrate broader disagreements; they're symptoms. No one should think (as, absurdly, many Obama supporters and some Huckabee supporters believe to go by tonight's News Hour) that polarization is going to stop because we won't have X to kick around any more.

Goatwhacker said...

I am scared by her repeated references to faith and prayer. We don't need some kind of religious nut in the White House.

ricpic said...

You must fear her shamelessness
For she will do or say
Whatever puts her in the place
To macerate and flay.

So think about the endgame
For that is all she sees,
Her wrath quite unappeaseable
And you a bug she'll squeeze.

MadisonMan said...

It's almost worth having Hillary as President just to see all the people's heads explode.

Synova said...

Nevermind all that. What about that horrible suit? Or maybe it's the couch. But it's pushed up or something so she looks like a head on her shoulders with no neck and her hands looked little and fat.

Synova said...

"I am scared by her repeated references to faith and prayer. We don't need some kind of religious nut in the White House."

You can't be a religious nut unless you're Republican.

It's a rule.

If a Republican made the exact same statements it would be completely different.

Maxine Weiss said...

That's gonna be interesting to see her as Commander of Armed Forces, when her husband repeatedly shut down military bases, and she, herself, expressed antipathy for any Secret Service or Law Enforcement personnel.

I remember that former Secret Service Agent, Osborne---or whatever his name was....she daughter called them all "Pigs" ---the Secret Service, according to that one guy.

Middle Class Guy said...

Weiss,
I am no Clinton fan. But the facts run against you. The base closings started under the Reagan administration. They were closing down bases that were either no longer nedded, provided redundant services, or the cost of keeping them up and maintaining them was too high. There was actually a schedule drawn up and each closing was to be done in strict accordance to the schedule. The most bases were to be closed starting in the early 90s and through out the decade.

Revenant said...

If she is elected, big if of course

Whoa! Is this really the same hdhouse who has been gloating about the inevitable Democratic Presidency and Congressional majority since, er... ever?

Of course, maybe he just means that Obama will probably get the nomination instead of Hillary.

Meade said...

"Were you embarrassed? I would be embarrassed."

Her question should have been:

"How embarrassing to be such an intelligent person - well-educated, an experienced attorney, you even taught law at one time - to be so easily manipulated by your husband, Bill Clinton. Why? I mean, yeah, he is kinda hot (in a way). But he cheated on you for years - lied and hid the truth from you - and yet you stayed with his sorry ass. Excuse me but, GIRLFRIEND!?

Aren't you just a little embarrassed now to be standing before the American voters, asking them to elect you to the position of Chief Executive... ComMANder-in-Chief? Who in their right mind do you think wants to be led by someone so easily shucked and jived, girl? I would be embarrassed if I were you."

hdhouse said...

Middle Class Guy said...
"Weiss,..The base closings started under the Reagan administration..."

MCG is quite right in this statement and I might add, the reduction in the navy and the armed forces in general started under Reagan continued under Bush 1 and into the early Clinton years.

No one individual president is either to blame or to be singled out. It was prudent..albeit off topic.

Rev....no one is a lock for the next president. it will likely be a democrat, one of perhaps 2 or 3 but no one is clear at this point. to your observation I agree.

As to Synova said...
"What about that horrible suit? Or maybe it's the couch. But it's pushed up or something so she looks like a head on her shoulders with no neck and her hands looked little and fat."

the wonders of television and sitting next to Tyra who was a super-model at one point.