February 13, 2008

A sign that young people don't support Hillary Clinton.

Watch this clip of NY Governor Elliot Spitzer on "The Colbert Report." At 0:55, he states that he — as a superdelegate — has pledged his support to Hillary Clinton. There's dead silence from the audience, which had been cheering and responsive when he first came out (and gets noisy again at the end of the clip). Spitzer does a take — which is damned funny if you're an Obama supporter — as if he's thinking: What the hell, did I just imagine there was a studio audience?

IN THE COMMENTS: Fen is all:
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!
Balfegor responds:
Yes, but she's just been replaced by a Mary Sue!

Well, I haven't tried to hide that over the years, I've become kind of fond Clinton II for being dowdy, dorky, uncool, and serious. I'm disappointed that the Democrats seem to be choosing Obama over someone I could actually have voted for.

59 comments:

SteveR said...

His rationale was fine but the audience was stone cold to Hillary. Supporting her for all the reasons he cited just sounded so dorky. Good job by Colbert in the segment.

Palladian said...

I think Spitzer did a take because he heard the Hope-filled fucking steamroller rumbling in the distance, coming to roll right over his candidate of choice.

George said...

I think Nelson Rockefeller went on the Soupy Sales show, too.

Middle Class Guy said...

OK, which one was the dummy and which one was the ventriloquist?

Middle Class Guy said...

Palladian said...
I think Spitzer did a take because he heard the Hope-filled fucking steamroller rumbling in the distance, coming to roll right over his candidate of choice.

There is also that steamroller rumbling towards his administration for the scandals he may be involved in.

AJ Lynch said...

My Congressman Joe Sestak was on CNN or one of the networks the other day and said essentially the same thing- he was bound to support Hillary.

Could make it very interesting for Sestak because every Congressman is up for re-election and black constituents could rebel and vote against Sestak in the general election.

Let's wait and see if the super delegates do the right thing...to borrow a movie title from Spike Lee.

garage mahal said...

There is also that steamroller rumbling towards his administration for the scandals he may be involved in.

In one day we have the Daily Obama and Enlightened Liberals suddenly trying to make nice after all the posturing, the sneering, and the proselytizing. And predictably, wingnuts becoming Citizen Oppo-Researchers. This is one fucked-up system.

AllenS said...

I read a lot of blogs every day. Lately, I've made it a point to read left of center blogs, especially what their commenters have to say. Support for Hillary is becoming harder to find.

Fen said...

Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

Balfegor said...

The Wicked Witch is dead!

Yes, but she's just been replaced by a Mary Sue!

Well, I haven't tried to hide that over the years, I've become kind of fond Clinton II for being dowdy, dorky, uncool, and serious. I'm disappointed that the Democrats seem to be choosing Obama over someone I could actually have voted for. Because now it means I'm actually going to have to get up and vote again this November.

On the other hand, I guess it is the case that I'm in the clear minority, among right-leaning voters, since most of them seem to regard Clinton II as Hell's Vicereine on Earth. So from an "electability" standpoint, maybe Clinton II really would have been more of a gamble than a man with no experience to speak of and a campaign made of empty platitudes.

Oh well.

Anyone have an Untergang parody subtitle for Hillary Clinton yet? Or are they waiting for her to lose Texas and Ohio too?

Fen said...

I've become kind of fond Clinton II for being dowdy, dorky, uncool, and serious

Yah I can understand that. I aslo find it ironic that Hillary's detailed policy explanations have been drowned out by Obama's cult of personality. Its got to be infuriating for her.

Simon said...

Echo Fen.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Meanwhile, the Republicans are about to nominate either an insane theocrat or an insane dead man walking.

Way to go, guys.

Joshua said...

Republicans have supported empty platitudes for the last 30 years or so, so I think Obama will get a lot of them to cross over.

Palladian said...

Which former troll is fstop? Any ideas? I've always thought that many of the trolls are the same person.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Palladian said...

Which former troll is fstop? Any ideas? I've always thought that many of the trolls are the same person.
4:06 PM


Didn't you know? I'm Maxine.

SteveR said...

Nah, Maxine is smarter

Fen said...

And her attacks more sophisticated.

Yours are more along the lines of Lucky and the Valenti crowd.

AJ Lynch said...

You are likely right Palladian.

On Monday, Fstop mistakenly answered a question posed to a brethren troll.

Eli Blake said...

Young people, more passionately and in greater proportions than the American public as a whole, hate the Iraq war.

Hillary lost the under-25 demographic for this election in October 2002 when she voted for the Iraq war, and then in the subsequent years when she continued to justify her vote.

I know many young people (I work with them every day) and many, many of them consider that Hillary might as well be George Bush when it comes to foreign policy-- and they know they don't want it.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Fen said...

And her attacks more sophisticated.

Yours are more along the lines of Lucky and the Valenti crowd.


Hey -- you're the racist psycho who claims black guys routinely shoot white men dating black women, not me.

Cedarford said...

Fen - Yah I can understand that. I aslo find it ironic that Hillary's detailed policy explanations have been drowned out by Obama's cult of personality. Its got to be infuriating for her.

On the other hand, I found the Clintons ethics and drive to power at all costs absolutely revolting. Not to mention Hillary's nails on chalkboard speech - shrill braying.

And though the Magic Negro's snake oil, the Mary Sue persona, the focus on form over substance is the same lure for dopes (most Democrats) who think with their hearts instead of their brains, and make them easy marks for orators like Bryant, Hitler, the televangelists..it is comforting.

In the sense that we will avoid dynastic politics continuing, break the nepotic progression and lauding people's blood ties that permeates DC and has been a cancer in that Imperial City since the Kennedy.

Hillary really turned out to have no great accomplishments of her own in law and executive leadership, no security clearance. Just 35 years of posts and juicy bonuses and Board appointments enabled by her husband's clout. They are well rid of her and hopefully Barack will be smart enough to not offer her the VP slot but keep the Clintons at arms length from power.

Not that the Republicans are much better. They turned down superb candidates like Duncan Hunter, Romney without pity for an emotionally erratic "war hero" milking that status 4X longer than Giuliani milked 9/11 for his fame and fortune, and a snake handler who believes in a 6,000 year old Earth.

And Republicans also created a Cult of Worship as bad as the JFK/McGovern ones, for Reagan. Or the abstract "pure conservative" fake construct - of a man who was a lifetime flip-flopper who never stopped changing. The guy that was a devoted FDR man, union head, who signed the most liberal abortion law in the nation, who was surrounded with gay friends of his and Nancy's, who readily "cut n' ran" when he calculated the losses did not justify us going to full war in Lebanon, or Korea when some servicemen were killed... Or a full invasion of El Salvador, Nicaragua, or Columbia..

Middle Class Guy said...

fstopfitzgerald said...
Hey -- you're the racist…


You do not even know the definition of racism. You are typical of your ilk. When you cannot make an intelligent point, you cry racism or you act like a little spoiled child. What is really amazing is you expecting people to take you seriously. It is obvious you have no horse sense; the sense horses have that keeps them from betting on humans.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Middle Class Guy said...

You are typical of your ilk. When you cannot make an intelligent pointblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah.


Uh, MCG --
Just in case you didn't know --

Nothing gives me more joy than dicking around with someone so stupid they don't know the difference between three and soup.

Meanwhile, how's your ilk? Is it housebroken yet?

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Blake said...

If that's true, Eli, Obama might have a problem come election time. Young people don't vote.

Unless they start in November. Could happen. All Obama's got to do is stay a rock star for the next nine months.

former law student said...

Obama might have a problem come election time. Young people don't vote.

Young people are voting now. So many Stanford students showed up that Palo Alto precincts ran out of Dem ballots. I assume they'll come back to vote in the fall -- unless Hillary gets the nomination.

former law student said...

I also find it ironic that Hillary's detailed policy explanations have been drowned out by Obama's cult of personality

They would make a good team, actually. Obama would be the charismatic big picture Mr. Outside, while Rodham would be the can't tell the forest for the trees detail oriented nerdy grinder Ms. Inside.

P. Rich said...

I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm even less a Clinton fan. But it is interesting to note that Obama has a list of issues and positions on his web site. He's said as much, and he has also said people shouldn't expect "issue speeches".

What is Hillary!'s excuse? She provides far less concrete information, and that not in writing. It's easier to lie and backpeddle that way I suppose. As for being "tested", I can only assume she is referring to the DC BAR exam.

Middle Class Guy said...

fstopfitzgerald said...



Nothing.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Middle Class Guy said...

fstopfitzgerald said...



Nothing.


That had great pith, my friend. Keep it up....

michael farris said...

". I assume they (young voters: maf) 'll come back to vote in the fall -"

Or they might assume the job is done once he becomes the nominee.

Simon said...

former law student said...
"[Young people don't vote?] Young people are voting now. So many Stanford students showed up that Palo Alto precincts ran out of Dem ballots. I assume they'll come back to vote in the fall -- unless Hillary gets the nomination."

Whoa, deja vu. I'm in spring 2004 all of a sudden -- "young folks are going to come out to vote because they're afraid of the draft and they hate Bush!" Indeed they did in the primaries. Then in the fall - same 20% turnout as always.

Simon said...

I do have to admit to wondering if those who're so hostile to fstopfitzgerald might pause to consider that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. He's a little hostile, sure, but he's clearly not a dummy, and he brings a different perspective than many of the regulars, so can we try to be a little less hostile? He's far more of a HDhouse than an AJD.

Simon said...

I mean him/her, I should say. Broke my own rule, darnit!

Middle Class Guy said...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_sp_ot/dog_show_24

“At long last, a beagle is America's top dog. Baying and barking to his heart's delight, Uno lived up every bit to his name Tuesday night, becoming the first of his breed to win best in show at the nation's biggest canine competition.

"He's a people's dog, a merry little hound," handler Aaron Wilkerson said.

No longer an underdog — make that an Underdog — Uno beat out two neatly primped poodles…”

Maybe the Beagle should be running for president.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Simon said...

I do have to admit to wondering if those who're so hostile to fstopfitzgerald might pause to consider that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. He's a little hostile, sure, but he's clearly not a dummy, and he brings a different perspective than many of the regulars, so can we try to be a little less hostile? He's far more of a HDhouse than an AJD.
6:53 PM


Group hug, everybody!!!!

Middle Class Guy said...
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Middle Class Guy said...

Simon said...
He's far more of a HDhouse than an AJD.


Please Simon,
That is extremely insulting, demeaning, and a demonizing of hdhouse. Hdhouse is mature and acts like an adult- for the most part; like the rest of us. How many of us have to put up with fstop’s immature insults and for how long?

He is the proverbial teenager with the locker room mentality. He may be intelligent, but he has wasted it with his conduct. BTW, hdhouse has never been banned or had his comments deleted.

As to the honey/vinegar; it is very hard to be nice when you are personally insulted just for having an opinion.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Middle Class Guy said...

it is very hard to be nice when you are personally insulted just for having an opinion.


Ah, playing the victim card again.

fstopfitzgerald said...

You know, I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for Middle Class Guy. I feel like I'm picking on a cripple or something.

Really, dude -- you just make it too easy for me, sometimes. I'll try to be nicer...

SteveR said...

HD House was never banned.

fstopfitzgerald said...

Middle Class Guy said...

How many of us have to put up with fstop’s immature insults and for how long?


Immature insults?

How unkind.

C'mon -- that crack I made about you being so dumb you didn't know the difference between three and soup is like Noel Coward or something. If I'm banned, where else are you going to get such brittle witticisms?

Fen said...

Sure, I'll give anybody ONE chance to reform, starting now.

fstop, I won't antagonize you further. Lets see if you can go a few days without launching personal attacks. Okay?

fstopfitzgerald said...

Fen said...

Sure, I'll give anybody ONE chance to reform, starting now.

fstop, I won't antagonize you further. Lets see if you can go a few days without launching personal attacks. Okay?


If it's a two-way street, I'll go for it.

Simon said...

MCG, I get what you're saying, and certainly mean no disrespect to Harry, I just think there's value to encouraging someone who brings a different viewpoint to interact. That's one of the reasons I really like Beth and Eli's comments here - they don't pull punches, but they're not gratuitous. They put their position pointedly and well. But I don't think that characterizing someone as a troll helps draw them in. Honestly, I used to think Verso was a troll, but s/he stayed around, and people took him seriously, and I think s/he's a productive commenter now. I look forward to reading what s/he's got to say.

Maybe it's just a gut feeling that fstopfitzgerald shows potential, or maybe it's one glass too many of montepulciano. S/he comes on a little heavy, but you may have noticed, sometimes, so do I. ;)

Fen said...
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Fen said...

fstop: If it's a two-way street, I'll go for it

It is. I'll match you day for day. The first one to resort to ad hom with anyone on this blog loses.

Middle Class Guy said...

fstopfitzgerald said...
You know, I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for Middle Class Guy. I feel like I'm picking on a cripple or something.



Simon, see what I mean?

Middle Class Guy said...

Simon,

BTW, I never called him a troll. Others, including Ann did. Trolls never did anything to me.

The Senator said...

Oh Balfegor, don't you know that the male equivalent of a Sue is a Marty Stu?

I hadn't thought of Obama as a Sue/Stu, but it is strangely appropriate...

Simon said...

Middle Class Guy said...
"Simon, ...I never called him a troll. Others, including Ann did."

I had taken Ann's comment to be a warning that s/he should "participat[e] with us in a constructive way" or be asked to leave, but I see now that I had missed a subsequent comment in that thread. In view of this, I withdraw my comments above to the extent they're incompatible with the views expressed in those comments.

former law student said...

Whoa, deja vu. I'm in spring 2004 all of a sudden

Can you remind me which candidate inspired the young people to vote in the primaries in 2004? As I recall, the Dems served up their usual Mondukakerry bucket of warm saliva candidate.

Yes, but she's just been replaced by a Mary Sue!

I had to look that up... Geez, there are levels of geekdom that nerds like me could not even imagine.

Middle Class Guy said...

former law student said...
I had to look that up... Geez, there are levels of geekdom that nerds like me could not even imagine.



My friend, there are levels of geekdom that defy imagination.

Simon said...

former law student said...
"Can you remind me which candidate inspired the young people to vote in the primaries in 2004? As I recall, the Dems served up their usual Mondukakerry bucket of warm saliva candidate."

Howard Dean did, but the more important point is that young folks were supposed to be all fired up to vote against Bushitler rather than for any particular candidate.

Henry said...

Former Law Student -- Mondukakerry -- nice coinage. It almost an Amy Winehouse lyric: "What kind of ***kakerry is this?"

The problem in 2004 is not that the inspired young people didn't show up in the general election -- it's that the inspired young people didn't show up for the Iowa caucuses.

But I actually agree with you. Obama does trigger a different dynamic. If he gets even a single-digit bump in turnout of normally disaffected voters (the young and minorities), he wins.

And that thought lets me bring up the Pyrhhic choice faced by Clinton. The only way she wins the nomination now is by using tactics that will crush Democratic turnout in November.

Given McCain's problems with the Republican base, it could be a real low turnout overall.

TROBlog said...

Hillary would make the better candidate though. Someone at The Corner pointed out that she is a known quantity. Everything that is bad about her is already out there and she still polls well against McCain in a head to head matchup.

Obama is perfect now. All shiney and nice. But there is plenty of time for that shine to tarnish a little (or a lot, which I think will be the case) when he actually has to do more than preach change and unity.

He's going to have to actually explain specifics, policies, etc. And since the King has no clothes, well, the Dems may be wishing they had Hillary in the end.

Karl said...

Overheard as three late 20-somethings enter their SUV in a Chicago, Illinois parking garage:

1: "...but Obama doesn't have any answers...he just says what people want to hear."

2: "At least Hillary would have Bill..."

3: "Yeah."

-kd