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Maybe its the speakers in my computer or their sound system, but listening to those two is like listening to ducks effing.
Obama is not "conflict-adverse".Obama is a 20-year disciple of a "religion" that preaches hatred of whites and Jews. Black Liberation Theology is no different than the philosophy that penned Mein Kampf."Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." - Cone
If Hillary can label Obama as the "Black Candidate" he's finished.
It is hard to take seriously any political commentator who is wearing a hoodie.My unified theory is that the humorless Sen. Obama is a charismatic leader-type with a narcissistic personality disorder...grandiose sense of self-importance, preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brillance, beauty, or ideal love, believes that he or she is "special" and unique, requires excessive admiration, has a sense of entitlement, is interpersonally exploitative, lacks empathy, is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her, shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes...caused by his utterly bizarre childhood in which he was unable to form healthy relationships with his parents. (Wiki)
Ya know, the more I think about it the more I think Obama is right, there is typical white person behavior. Cutting a black some slack no matter what he says or does, simply because he's black, is typical white person behavior. And it's why we're on the verge of electing this nullity president.
Fen:I think you are going a little far. Not defending Cone or Wright, but comparing them to Mein Kampf is a little over the top. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of white people who attend that church who I believe escape every sunday without being loaded onto a railroad car. Can't imagine a lot of yamulke wearers hanging out with Adolf in 1942.
Overcoming my initial inclination to resist the pop psychological diagnosis, George may be on to something. Obama does seem humorless. Can anyone point to any sort of self-deprecating humor on his part? I'm not remembering any humor from Obama. Ever. Very serious and somber. Maybe this guy really does believe himself some kind of messiah.An aside, recall how overly sensitive he was about his ears. No humor there, and that was the perfect time and place for it.
Mein Kampf isn't all that outrageous or disproportionate. See Kenneth Burke's essay hereOn the need for intelligent criticismAlready, in many quarters of the country, we are beyond the stage where we are being saved from Nazism by our virtues.
Not defending Cone or Wright, but comparing them to Mein Kampf is a little over the top.Perhaps. Then again when someone writes about the destruction of the white enemy comment I'm I'm at a loss to find the nuance t here. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of white people who attend that churchInteresting. I'd be curious to know how many.
Mein Kampf isn't all that outrageous or disproportionate.But evidently the latest cover of Vogue magazine isSeriously, you can't make this stuff up.
That was the best bloggingheads video ever.
Blue Moon: Fen: I think you are going a little far. Not defending Cone or Wright, but comparing them to Mein Kampf is a little over the top.Thats a fair complaint. To clarify, I'm comparing the way both blame other races for all their problems. Simply replace "jew" with "whitey" and you come away with a Rev Wright speech.
Hoosier:That's why I love Whitlock. He cuts through the crap -- he also gets LOTS of hate mail from black people.Re white people at Trinity: I've seen videos of white "parishioners" talking about what a warm and welcoming place it is. I think Wright is more black liberation in philosophy than in words.More than the race stuff (which I abhor), I hate Cone's view because he subjugates the Jesus I believe in to his own ends. He makes Jesus a slave to earthly ends rather than our savior. Which is also why I am not a big fan of the many in the modern GOP.
My life is not dull enough to spend 32'54" watching those two blather. And Mickey should trim those eyebrows already. If he's going to look like Robert Klein he should at least be funny.But at least it gave fen a chance, once more, to conflate the Israeli government with Jewry.
fls: But at least it gave fen a chance, once more, to conflate the Israeli government with Jewry.huh?
That's why I love Whitlock. He cuts through the crapAgreed. But that dustup I think illustrates a point of view of some black people in which something as innocent that that cover shot can be construed as racist whereas I'm lectured on how Wright's words aren't really racist but a black philosophical view of thier place in America. Re white people at Trinity: I've seen videos of white "parishioners" talking about what a warm and welcoming place it is.Well I haven't but I'll take your word for it. It certainly makes me wonder though how anyone other than a self-loathing white person could sit through a sermon like Wright's and feel warm and welcoming. Just my two cents.I think Wright is more black liberation in philosophy than in words.I dunno how you seperate the two. More than the race stuff (which I abhor), I hate Cone's view because he subjugates the Jesus I believe in to his own ends. He makes Jesus a slave to earthly ends rather than our savior.Well from what I have read, he pretty much completely rewrites New Testament scripture for his own ends. Which is also why I am not a big fan of the many in the modern GOP.Not sure I follow that but ok.
Hoosier:A lot of black people are like a dog that has been beaten with a shoe repeatedly for years. Then you come along with a shoe in your hand and the dog freaks out. I don't know what it is like to be white, but I am sure it sucks to be told that "You just don't understand." I don't really know what else to say except when you have been mistreated for a long time and then told "Okay we're done mistreating you," when something bad happens you are going to wonder whether the bad thing is more mistreatment. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt because it's crappy to accuse people of being racist when they aren't, and sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar (cue Clinton jokes). My point about the GOP is that many GOP pols selectively use the Bible to gin up votes. Jesus spent more time talking about the poor than sex, but you would never know that during election season. Talk about all of it or keep your mouth shut.
formerlawstudent: But at least it gave fen a chance, once more, to conflate the Israeli government with Jewry.When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens," says Wright. "Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen … His depth on analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest. Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics. His love for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." This seems an odd distinction to confer upon someone whose anti-American, anti-white, anti-Semitic statements are numerous. For example, in 1996 Farrakhan told a Tehran newspaper that God would "bestow upon Muslims" the honor of "destroy[ing] America." In February 1998, he sent a cordial and supportive letter to Saddam Hussein, calling him a "visionary" who had earned the Iraqi people's "love," and whose demise would "mean a setback for the goal of unity [among Muslims]." In July 2002, he declared that America, "with blood dripping from [its] hands," had no moral authority by which to overthrow Saddam. In February 2005, he condemned the United States for waging a war "against Islam," adding: "[T]here's no way that I, as a Muslim, could countenance my children or grandchildren fighting a war against fellow believers in any part of the world." Farrakhan also has a long, well-documented history of venom-laced references to the white "blue-eyed devils" and Jewish "bloodsuckers" who purportedly decimate America's black communities from coast to coast. Moreover, he has referred to white people as "the skunks of the planet."[...]I have to go take a shower now. Thanks alot.
/edit, link didn't takeWright saysBlueMoon, I understand what you mean and thats why I don't fault you for your support of Obama. Your made good points in your defense yesterday, and I can see myself in your shoes making those very same points. But my perspective is coming from a truly post-racial society - Marine Corps, where skin colour is as relevant as hair colour. So to me, people like Wright are simply giving momentum to a pendulum that will swing back and destroy them. If Obama was truly post-racial, he wouldn't have been able to sit through 5 minutes of that filth, much less 20 years.
Wright's totally wrong on Farakhan -- hell, I would wager 90%of black people under 30 don't know who he is. Only deadenders believe anything coming from him. Of course, in a nation of 300 million, there are all kinds of deadenders of all stripes.I understand what you are saying and I agree that he should not have sat there listening to Wright's crap. The Wrights of the world remind me of the story of the Japanese soldier who lived in the Phillipine jungle for 20 years after the surrender and didn't believe it when someone told him that the war was over. Wright is running pass patterns on the field long after the fans have left and the lights have been turned off.
I don't really know what else to say except when you have been mistreated for a long time and then told "Okay we're done mistreating you," when something bad happens you are going to wonder whether the bad thing is more mistreatment. Well if that's the case then I as a white man really dont' know what else to say. I mean slavery and Jim Crow has been over for a long time. They say time heals all wounds but based upon those time frames, it certainly doesn't appear it will happen in my lifetime or my kids or grandkids. I can see your point but you know, A LOT of ethnic groups have been beaten with that proverbial shoe (Jews, Irish, Indians just to name a few) and in all earnest, it seems blacks cannot shed that chip on thier shoulder at least in this country yet the odds are a black man is probably going to be the next President of the USA, we get to see an obscenely rich black man holding a gorgeous supermodel in his arm on a magazine, black hip hop is the predominant music and pop culture in this country so yeah, I guess I don't understand. My point about the GOP is that many GOP pols selectively use the Bible to gin up votes. Jesus spent more time talking about the poor than sex, but you would never know that during election season. Talk about all of it or keep your mouth shut.Well it must be a regional thing cause I can say honestly, the GOP reps I have at least don't do the whole Jesus thing here but it does appear to be the standard nationwide.
Would your “church,” if you fellowship with one, put on it’s bulletin board hateful articles from the anti-semitic, terrorist group Hamas? Barack Obama’s CURRENT church, Trinity United Church of Christ, did just that.We just found out in the last 48 hours that Wright, while giving a eulogy in 2007, said that “(Jesus’) enemies had their opinion about Him… The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.”Now comes a report by NBC News that while Wright was in charge at Obama’s CURRENT church, reprinted anti-Israel writings, including one column by none other than Hamas leader, Mousa Abu Marzook, appeared on the bulletin board there.The column by the Hamas leader, Mousa Abu Marzook, asked: “Why should any Palestinian recognise the monstrous crimes carried out by Israel’s founders and continued by its deformed modern apartheid state?”The question becomes one of judgment, character, integrity, honesty and intelligence.If I were to believe Obama’s defense that he didn’t, and still doesn’t, know what was, and still is, going on at his church for 20 years, then, in my opinion, he must not be very observant nor intelligent, and does not possess sensible judgement. Therefore he cannot be qualified to be the POTUS, in my opinion. If I do NOT believe Obama, then his integrity, character and honesty is woefully insufficient to be the POTUS, in my opinion.Obama went to Harvard Law School (they don’t let just anybody in), where he became the first African-American president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991. Now do you think he is NOT aware of what his church and ex-pastor are all about? Be AFRAID! Be VERY AFRAID!Barack Obama’s political FRAUD against the American People continues…Read the rest of this article here...http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/barack-obama-reverend-wright-trinity-united-church-of-christ-and-hamas/
“Why should any Palestinian recognise the monstrous crimes carried out by Israel’s founders and continued by its deformed modern apartheid state?”Does anyone here have any answers?
Why should any Palestinian recognise the monstrous crimes carried out by Israel’s founders and continued by its deformed modern apartheid state?”Does anyone here have any answers?Actually a question coming from a fascist organization like Hamas using the words 'monstrous crimes' and 'apartheid state' in reference to the only democracy in the Middle East doesn't really merit any type of acknowledgement.Just sayin
Zeb--I recall very early in the campaign Obama making some slightly self-deprecating remarks regarding his wife's exasperation with some of his fumblings around the house. Forgetting to put the lid on a peanut butter jar or putting empty ice cube trays back in the freezer...I forget the exact details, but something along those lines. As I recall it came across as silly and trivial, not really funny. And you could make a good argument that he revealed these trivial failings as a way to deflect from larger, more significant ones.
the only democracy in the Middle EastHow soon they forget Iraq.
How soon they forget Iraq.Whose they? If Iraq turns out to be Jordan, I think they'll be lucky.
That Vogue cover is great. If I were the athlete in question, I'd have a jumbo size print framed (or perhaps painted) on a wall somewhere. Anyway, George's mini-psycho-analysis is probably right. Of all three of the candidates.Of the three, I get the strongest sense of self-doubt from Hillary. I get the idea she hasn't lived up to her own expectations of herself.Actually, it reminds me of men and women's "body images". Women tend to think they're highly flawed, no matter how close to perfection they get. Men tend to think they're just a few pounds away from Mr. Universe.
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