March 3, 2009

"Although I thought Ann's Rush apologism was unseemly and unfounded, I have to say I basically agree with Jon Chait..."

Eve Fairbanks reflects on our Bloggingheads encounter and displays the high regard TNR folk have for other TNR folk.

And what exactly is Apologism? (Homophone fans see "Apollo jism.") Wikipedia says:
Apologism is the metaphysical philosophy that argues that it is wrong for humans to attempt to alter the conditions of life in the mortal sphere of influence. It is opposed to the idea that absolute "progress" is a desirable goal for the pursuit of human endeavors...

Apologism stands solidly in opposition to the metaphysics of meliorism, which states that absolute "progress" is the desirable goal of all human endeavors. Apologism is not to be confused with apologetics.
Oh, I'm sure it all makes sense over at TNR as explained by Jonathan Chait or some other genius. Over here, we will quaff the nectar of the gods and allow the unseemliness to rage on.

186 comments:

David said...

Boola, Boola! Boola, Boola! Boola, boola, Eli Yale!

Titushadadreamaboutsnakes said...

Did you say queef?

Sicko.

AlphaLiberal said...

It means making apologies for Rush Limbaugh. A pretty obvious interpretation not requiring a trip to Wikipedia.

So, Ann, are you trying to catch a ride on Rush's coattails? Do you relish being a dittohead?

Richard Lawrence Cohen said...

She may be thinking of "apologia" or "apologetic," meaning a defense or justification.

LarsPorsena said...

Tell her she can take a hunk of ambrosia and stick it where Apollo never shines.

AlphaLiberal said...

Ann, maybe you can clarify your earlier dittohead post:

What actions from the White House are Rush and you referring to? what are these attacks you reference?

Smilin' Jack said...

Eve Fairbanks reflects on our Bloggingheads encounter and blah, blah,blah...

You're going into a rant based on the bloggingheads equivalent of a typo? Pathetic.

Hmmm...let's see how perfect your own usage is...uh oh: Over here, we will quaff the nectar of the gods.... Since nectar is already the "drink of the gods", "nectar of the gods" is a pleonasm.

Perhaps Eve will now write a scathing rejoinder mocking your ignorance of Latin. Or perhaps she has better things to do.

Lem said...

Apologism is... opposed to the idea that absolute "progress" is a desirable goal for the pursuit of human endeavors...

In the case of the democrats absolute power over every sphere of human endeavors is their desired goal!

From where you will live to what you will use to wipe your ass.

JSF said...

Alpha,

can someone tell me when Jon Stewart, Andrew Sullivan and Anderson Cooper started working for the Obama Administration?

You see, all 3 made their mark by "Speaking Truth to Power" during the Bush Administration -- so where is "truth to Power" now?

AlphaLiberal said...

JSF,

I just heard Jon Stewart criticize Obama the other day.

Do you know what the White House has done to "attack" Rush Limbaugh?

What are Rush and Ann talking about?

Titushadadreamaboutsnakes said...

Queef and homophone in one blog post.

I am so offended. Disgusting. I expect more, really I do.

I know a drag queen by the name of Queef Lorraine. She is friends with another DQ named Evian Waters-Evian is a real bitch. But Scabolla Feces is the biggest draq queen bitch.

Henry said...

I laugh that jism requires a disambiguation page.

Sometimes I think that the left needs a disambiguation page for Althouse.

Althouse may refer to:

A slang term for semen

Althouse (film), a 2003 Bollywood film

"Althouse", a song by the rock band Althouse from their self-titled debut album

Althouse Unlimited Clothing, a New Zealand clothing company which originated in 2001

The Alt House Synergy Movement

_________________________
(your entry here)

Titushadadreamaboutsnakes said...

And don't even get me started with Sharon Needles-she is so mean and bitchy.

AlphaLiberal said...

Ann, instead of Wikipedia, perhaps you should have consulted a dictionary:

a⋅pol⋅o⋅gist
–noun
1. a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.

Or, in this case, of a loudmouth buffoon.

Bob From Ohio said...

"It means making apologies for Rush Limbaugh."

That is what she wanted to say but in fact did not. The word she used does not mean "making apologies".

ricpic said...

What Rush was saying is that you don't fire up your base with policy wonkery. You fire them up by pointing out that the One Eve worships is mounting an assault on liberty.

rocketeer67 said...

Do you know what the White House has done to "attack" Rush Limbaugh?

Yes. That you don't, is not our problem to rectify. We've covered similar ground before, AL.

Note to self re: AlphaLiberal - to "historically illiterate," add "lazy," "ignorant of current events," and "lacking initiative to educate himself."

Nevertheless, amusing!

garage mahal said...

Look, it's Al Swearengen at the link under Today's Stories. "Our Not-So-Strongman In Pakistan".

JSF said...

Alpha,

Jon Stewart might have made one or two comments about Obama, but after the SOTU, Stewart still spent more time attacking Jindal then attacking those who are in Power.

Last I checked, Republicans do not own the White House or Congress, but Speakere pelosi does have an enemies list.

The Daily Show -- Speaking Truth to Power when only the GOP is in the White House!

Henry said...

Alpha's right. When Fairbanks wrote apologism she meant apologist. Or apologetic. Or maybe she meant apologeticism.

Curtiss said...

Professor, I think your extrafloral nectarines are attracting predatory blogging insects.

Unseemly as that may be.

But not to be confused with blogging cockroaches.

AlphaLiberal said...

Yes. That you don't, is not our problem to rectify. We've covered similar ground before, AL.

So it's a secret attack then? You can type all that but you can't type out what the "White House attacks on Rush Limbaugh" are?

Fact is, there is no such thing. You can't name it, so you attack, instead.

chickenlittle said...

Over here, we will quaff the nectar of the gods and allow the unseemliness to rage on.

Moved on to the really hard stuff have you?

David said...

No no. She went to Yale. She could not possibly have conflated a intellectual phony word with a simple pedestrian word. When the Yalie says Apologism she means it in the literal sense. What's the point of using a word with "ism" in it we are not sent scurrying for our dictionaries.

Superiority is useless unless you exercise it.

Darcy said...

LOL, David.

And more nectar, please. I'm out.

Yachira said...

AlphaLiberal said, :It means making apologies for Rush Limbaugh....

It does? You're funny!

rocketeer67 said...

You can type all that but you can't type out what the "White House attacks on Rush Limbaugh" are?

Fact is, it's not my job to keep update you on news that actually dates from January. That you're either too complacent to use Google, or too afraid to face the truth when you do, is still your problem.

Either way, you still kill!

Dance, lazy buffoon, dance!

AlphaLiberal said...

Yachira, yes. See the dictionary definition for "apologist" above.

Oh, and thank you.
-------------------
Rocketeer, I did look and I couldn't find it. You're convinced these White house attacks on Rush Limbaugh are occurring? Make your case!

AlphaLiberal said...

Man, this really is an alternative universe. I go to a dictionary and post a definition for a word. And the lunkheads here don't believe the dictionary.

Wow.

Henry said...

Alpha, you do realize that the word that Eve Fairbanks used was "apologism", yes?

traditionalguy said...

Dear Professor Nut Case: Your attempts to discuss the Enemy of the People Limbaugh's ideas and arguments has been noticed. The Ruling community of activists is not amused by your lack of discipline. Unless you join fully in Book Burning and Limbaugh Trashing now required of all community members, you will also be Trashed in a rythmic beat of personal ridicule and accusations of being weird and an emotionally lost person. You have been warned!

Joe said...

People tease AlphaLiberal for being a broken record and he turns all intellectual. Ha ha.

rocketeer67 said...

Rocketeer, I did look and I couldn't find it.

WOW. You really can't use Google, can you?

I thought I was just joking about that part.

Make your case!

Don't take it too hard, AL. I don't feel any obligation to "make my case" with my dog, either, and he's both more open to reason and smarter than you.

AJ Lynch said...

I am Taxpayer.

No I am Taxpayer.

No no I am Taxpayer.

Ahem- I am practicing for the April 15th Tea Party.

AJ Lynch said...

I wonder if Zero will be there.

Henry said...

Of course, snarking on apologism is just a game. The truly silly word is "unseemly." How rude the world is when it doesn't agree with Eve Fairbanks.

Jason (the commenter) said...

One of the things I noticed when Eve was speaking was her occasional use of obscure words. I thought it a rather odd way of speaking for someone who's job it is to communicate. But reading one of her co-workers I came to an understanding: the people at TNR write for the other people at TNR.

AlphaLiberal said...

Ahem- I am practicing for the April 15th Tea Party.

Don't forget your rallying cry:
"Teabag liberal Democrats!"

paul a'barge said...

Words mean things ... and mutts at TNR can't use them.

sigh.

Why would you want to play with those mutts anyway?

Alan said...

"Alpha, you do realize that the word that Eve Fairbanks used was "apologism", yes?"

Henry, I think everyone who listened knew what Faribanks meant. Yours and Ann's line of attack is akin to pointing out a spelling error when you know you've already lost the argument.

AJ Lynch said...

Althouse said: "Apollo jism".

Too funny.

Yachira said...

Yeah, I see "apologist" but not "apologism." That sounds like a funny word to me. Now, if it had been a grade 3 student talking, okay, but...

ricpic said...

It's A Health Thang

Don't be apologetic, be apoplectic,
Don't worry if the toffs call you rubes;
Don't cultivate an attitude copasetic
And risk blowing your gasket and tubes.

AlphaLiberal said...

Jason, I don't think those glasses work for you.

Henry:
Alpha, you do realize that the word that Eve Fairbanks used was "apologism", yes?

Yes. And the definition I posted was for "apologist."

Is it your contention that "apologist" has nothing to do with "Apologism"?

That, instead, someone should find an obscure definition of "apologism" and wave that around and play all confused?

You're playing dumb. To your credit, you're not convincing.

garage mahal said...

Where's Nancy!?

rocketeer67 said...

Yours and Ann's line of attack is akin to pointing out a spelling error when you know you've already lost the argument.

Actually, it's akin to a barrel roll over the airfield after returning from a successful sortie. Salt, meet wound.

reader_iam said...

I love that while one can't find the word "apologism" in a dictionary, there it is, right in Wikipedia with the standard disclaimer: "This article is missing citations or needs footnotes ... ."

That's pretty much what Fairbanks' post needs, since I don't happen to believe she so much missed the point Althouse was trying to make as that she wishes to if not recast it, then duck it.

Of course, in its own way, linking to Chait's post was a footnote, of sorts [in this case, functioning as a disclaimer].

Alan said...

A good thing has come out of this. We now know there's not an Ann Althouse vortex. She's just part of the Right Wing vortex, and a dittohead.

Alan said...

"Actually, it's akin to a barrel roll over the airfield after returning from a successful sortie. Salt, meet wound."

Or in your case, a barrel roll into the side of a barn.

traditionalguy said...

Never negotiate for common ground with a Liberal Attack Team sent out to ridicule you until you have stopped talking in public. That was Steele's mistake. The ones who seek your destruction are not interested in peace until you have been destroyed.(E.g., the palestinian refugees refusing peace until Israel is destroyed)Just ignore them and keep talking about them in public. If your goal is to be loved by them, you are living out a fantasy offered by your enemy. Eventually your spoken truth will win the day again.

Anton said...

AlphaLiberal, why would you argue this? You know what has occurred. Fairbanks tried to sound like an intellectual, but ended up sounding like a moron. It's really no more complicated than that.

Henry said...
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Jason (the commenter) said...

I thought Ann's Rush apologism was unseemly and unfounded

"Unseemly" seems like a rather strong word. And she says Althouse's opinions are "unfounded" but I don't remember Eve countering them.

She's saying as slyly as she can that she thinks Althouse a provincial fool. I guess this is how an intellectual handles an idea they don't agree with; they dismiss its originator.

And notice her use of "Ann" instead of Althouse. I know dogs with better manners, so I wont insult them by calling Eve what comes to mind.

Henry said...

Alan, what argument are you talking about? What is Fairbanks' actual point? Don't take away my scapegoat or I'll be offended?

The passage that Fairbanks speaks to is less about Althouse apologizing for Limbaugh as Fairbanks apologizing for the whole Republican party.

Althouse did say "grow a pair." Maybe that's what Fairbanks thought was unseemly.

Freeman Hunt said...

Is it your contention that "apologist" has nothing to do with "Apologism"?

Yes. Use your dictionary more.

She obviously meant apologia as RLC wrote.

Leland said...

I did look and I couldn't find it.

Did you try Whitehouse.gov, circa March 1st, 2009?

rocketeer67 said...

Or in your case, a barrel roll into the side of a barn.

Ha! You defend Fairbanks' misuse of a word with only one accepted definition, after she's lost a debate, and I'm the one crashing and burning?

You're not even ready to solo.

Meade said...

Speaking of unseemly and unfounded, read Jon Chait's attack on republicans and his characterization of what he calls the "conservative agenda:" If the economy is still terrible in 2012, Republicans will probably win, and if they do, they'll convince themselves they won because the public wants to cut taxes for the rich and privatize Social Security.

What Fairbanks, Chait, and their fellow Obama worshipers can't accept is responsibility for their own agenda. If the economy is in worse shape in 2012, it will be Obama's to own and it will likely have everything to do with growing a larger government, raising taxes, and spending money the government doesn't have.

Come on Eve, Jon, Barack, why not strap on a pair and own your own big government policies? What are you afraid of?

reader_iam said...

Well, Ann & Eve referred to each other by their first names in the actual BHTV episode, so I don't see how Eve's being rude in referring to Althouse as "Ann" in the Plank post. Why should Althouse's rules for commenters in Althouse's own space--an entirely different context--apply to Eve, writing at the Plank, after an encounter in which first names were entirely appropriate?

Oligonicella said...

Smilin' Jack --

Hmmm...let's see how perfect your own usage is...uh oh: Over here, we will quaff the nectar of the gods.... Since nectar is already the "drink of the gods", "nectar of the gods" is a pleonasm.

If you're going to argue words with Althouse, at least crack a dictionary. Nectar has four definitions (Webster's Unabridged), drink of the gods being the third usage.

"Drink of the gods" distinguishes what the gods drank to sustain themselves from the simple juice of a fruit or the nectar inside a flower. Althouse is correct in her usage and you found no pleonasm (Thesauri are great, aren't they?).

Joe said...

Is it your contention that "apologist" has nothing to do with "Apologism"?

It doesn't, except both are likely derived from the Greek work apologia (In the Classical Greek legal system two key technical terms were employed: the prosecution delivered the kategoria , and the defendant replied with an apologia. To deliver an apologia then meant making a formal speech to reply and rebut the charges. The modern word Apology is derived from apologia as well, but the meaning is essentially reversed.)

Apologism: the metaphysical philosophy that argues that it is wrong for humans to attempt to alter the conditions of life in the mortal sphere of influence.

Apologist: a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.

As Henry points out, the proper word would arguably be apologistism, though that does sound rather awkward.

Henry said...

Over at TNR they drink the nectar of the hummingbirds.

Revenant said...

A left-wing magazine considers defense of a right-wing speaker unseemly and unfounded?

You could knock me over with a feather. What's next -- the National Review rejecting defenses of Barack Obama? Dogs and cats living together, etc etc?

Meade said...

Henry said...
"Over at TNR they drink the nectar of the hummingbirds."

Found in the flowers of snow-dusted pussy willows.

rocketeer67 said...

"Drink of the gods" distinguishes what the gods drank to sustain themselves from the simple juice of a fruit or the nectar inside a flower. Althouse is correct in her usage and you found no pleonasm (Thesauri are great, aren't they?).

It seems Smilin’ Jack has confused “nectar” (def. 3) with “ambrosia” (def. 1) OOPS.

Still, he gets special bonus points for using "pleonasm," which we just don't see enough of in conversation.

AJ Lynch said...

Damn I am good. Earlier today, I predicted Obama and the Dems would start saying the stock market does not matter.

And basically Obama said that today. Next, he will be taking a piece of your assets to prop up the govt. I am not making this up.

Trooper York said...

I thought the homophone was the pink phone on Commissioner Gordon's desk that he used when he wanted to go on the down low with Titus?

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

Roux said...

As for Jindal. He wasn't that good which is unusual for him. He was over coached and should have just been himself.

He talks too fast but so what.

Trooper York said...

And they use the Titus signal with is a big hot steaming loaf projected into the sky.

Shanna said...

The Daily Show -- Speaking Truth to Power when only the GOP is in the White House!

I miss when they spent their time making fun of the media. I especially remember when some fashion guy died on a boat and they kept doing breaking news reports. Classic.

Now they’re humorless partisan scolds, mostly.

Michael said...

AJ Lynch said..."Damn I am good. Earlier today, I predicted Obama and the Dems would start saying the stock market does not matter."

That's not at all what is being said by anybody in the administration.

Obama and others have been saying the day to day discussion of the stock market swings are not conducive or reflective of the long term goals of the stimulus plan. (Obama also said stocks P/E ratios are approaching levels that might spur the buying of stocks.)

Anybody who's ever bought or sold stocks will tell you the same thing.

Market fluctuate, based on everything from profit reports to unemployment rates to the value of the dollar.

Maybe if you'd ever taken a business course?

Michael said...

Shanna said..."Now they’re humorless partisan scolds, mostly."

WOW!!! Now there's a real news flash!!

The Daily Show is "partisan??"

Who knew??

Michael said...

That's not at all what is being said by anybody in the administration.

What I meant to say is that you can't trust anything anyone on the Obama administration says because they are just like me - liars whenever they believe it serves our purposes.

rocketeer67 said...

I thought the puritan Cromwell used the homophone to call in troops to dissolve the Rump Parliament.

Michael said...

Do we all agree that Obama is hot and Michele is too?

Anyone else want to fuck both of them?

Michael said...

At the same time? An Obama/Michael three-way?

Michael said...

Sorry - can't help the sarcasm.

Can't wait to tell someone here to go kill themselves like I did on Althouse last night.

Shanna said...

WOW!!! Now there's a real news flash!!

The Daily Show is "partisan??"


Hey Michael, I know you're about 12 so you probably don't remember, but they didn't actually start out that way. The Daily show used to be both 1. Funny and 2. Non-partisan. Amazing, I know.

Joe said...

Dammit, Michael, you just made me throw up on my keyboard.

Michael said...

I LOVE IT!!!

One of the fools here thinks sooooooooo much of me...and my comments, they've decided to post their own...but as if they're me!!

It's hard to turn down such relevance, such outright devotion.

Thank you, whoever you are...now my (revised/edited) comments, along with my original comments...and of course, my trusty dog...will appear even more!

*It takes a real genius to double and triple up the comments of someone with whom they evidently have "issues."

Keep 'em coming...I'm with you on this one!

Michael said...

Shanna, I also watch the Daily Show, and they've always been partisan and they're still very funny.

It's all subjective, and if you don't like what you see...don't watch the damn thing.

Michael said...

*It takes a real genius to double and triple up the comments of someone with whom they evidently have "issues."

Keep 'em coming...I'm with you on this one!

Because I'm crying inside over my 4 and half inch erection.

Anyone else want Michele Obama Porn?

Michael said...

C'mon...Michael II...post some more comments with my moniker and trusty dog!!

*But please be aware...I'm already happily married.

Michael said...

It's all subjective, and if you don't like what you see...don't watch the damn thing.

If you want black first Lady and Mandingo porn videos, hell - I'm Michael - I can get it for you free!

Michael said...

"Because I'm crying inside over my 4 and half inch erection."

WOW...that was a good one.

MORE...MORE!!!

Michael said...

*But please be aware...I'm already happily married.

To my mother.

Michael said...

"If you want black first Lady and Mandingo porn videos, hell - I'm Michael - I can get it for you free!"

TERRIFIC!!

Now we can get into the racism stuff, too!!

MORE...MORE!!!

Michael said...

"But please be aware...I'm already happily married. To my mother."

YEAH!!!

And now, following up the racist tripe...the introduction of incest!!!

MORE...MORE...MORE!!!

Michael said...

Does that make my daughter my sister?

Since I'm a movie buff, I'll watch "Chinatown" to see if I can figure it out.

You wingnuts - I hate you all.

Go fuck yourselves.

I mean, go kill yourselves.

Shanna said...

It's all subjective, and if you don't like what you see...don't watch the damn thing.

Well, I don’t, because around 2003/2004 they started to suck. Which was really all I said in my post.

Michael said...

Ann - You've got some very strange people who visit your site.

But I'm game...if you are.

Michael said...

Wait, how about if I film me doing a Michele Obama look-alike.

Wait

Wait

Uh

Shit!
I shot all over my Obama poster.

Seven Machos said...

It's funny to me how it just kills the leftist tools here that Althouse can stray from heretically from the Democratic reservation, you know, just like that. Surely there is a penalty.

She's not just going to get away with this free thinking. Right?

Michael said...

Ann - You've got some very strange people who visit your site.

But I'm game...if you are.

Ann?

ANN!

You must bow to my call for help!

I own you, you worthless wingnut!

ANN!

AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Michael said...

Shanna - "Well, I don’t, because around 2003/2004 they started to suck. Which was really all I said in my post."

That was what...5-6 years ago?

And you're suddenly upset with their content?

Michael said...

Shanna - Answer me you fucking idiot wingnut!

Michael said...

ANN! You must bow to my call for help! I own you, you worthless wingnut! ANN! AAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!


KEEP 'EM COMING!!!

Michael said...

Shanna - Answer me you fucking idiot wingnut!

(That was via Michel II)

*A very strange person indeed.

Michael said...

KEEP 'EM COMING!!!

KEEP 'EM COMING!!!

I'M COMING!!! I'M COMING!!! I'M COMING!!!

Oh shit!

On the keyboard!

Michael said...

*A very strange person indeed.\

Sorry, I'm low on the schizophrenia meds.

Michael said...

Don't listen to the fake Michael

Wait a minute!

Yes Mom?

I hate every fucking Althouse wingnut.

Alpha - call me. I've got fresh porn for your stash.

Daughter almost home . . .

Titushadadreamaboutsnakes said...

My big concern is what Queef Lorraine thought about this diva convo.

I think a talking heads with Queef Lorraine and Althouse would be appropriate.

Michael said...

Ann?

Why aren't you helping me?

What's wrong with telling your wingnut commenters to go kill themselves, like I did yesterday on Althouse?

Michael said...

KEEP 'EM COMING!!! KEEP 'EM COMING!!! I'M COMING!!! I'M COMING!!! I'M COMING!!! Oh shit!
On the keyboard! *A very strange person indeed. Sorry, I'm low on the schizophrenia meds. Don't listen to the fake Michael Wait a minute! Yes Mom? I hate every fucking Althouse wingnut. Alpha - call me. I've got fresh porn for your stash.

And now he brings Alpha into the mix.

MORE...MORE...MORE...

Seven Machos said...

I just want to say that this is some great fucking performance art by Better Michael.

It sucks to have the thread ruined, but at least the terms are much better.

Titushadadreamaboutsnakes said...

Someone get Queef Lorraine on the horn ASAP. She will have a thing or two to say about this mess.

Justin said...

Best. Thread. Ever.

Michael said...

Ann? why aren't you helping me? what's wrong with telling your wingnut commenters to go kill themselves, like I did yesterday on Althouse?

MORE...MORE...MORE...MORE!!!

KEEP 'EM COMING!!!

Michael said...

Justin said..."Best. Thread. Ever."

Thanks.

Michael said...

Seven - "It sucks to have the thread ruined, but at least the terms are much better."

You actually think this ruins the thread?

C'mon...why wouldn't you of all people, not want to have someone post my amended comments over and over again?

It doesn't make much sense though, does it?

Funny stuff.

Shanna said...

Shanna - Answer me you fucking idiot wingnut!

Hee!

dualdiagnosis said...

Not surprisingly they attacked Jindal for his less than inspiring speech and also attacked Palin at her debut for being too inspiring. Ann is right, the goal is a coordinated attack on any perceived strong leader from the right.

Oh, and can we stop with the hijacking of peoples screen names/pics etc.. was funny once or twice but is bordering on obsessive.

Michael said...

"Oh, and can we stop with the hijacking of peoples screen names/pics etc.. was funny once or twice but is bordering on obsessive."

Not to mention downright creepy.

Michael said...

Shanna said..."Shanna - Answer me you fucking idiot wingnut! Hee!"

Again...that was NOT me.

Shanna said...

I know Michael (er, original michael?). That's why I said "hee".

JSF said...

Michael,

How can we be sure? When have you ever been civil with people whose opinions differ from yours?

Proof please.

Smilin' Jack said...

rocketeer67 said...
"Drink of the gods" distinguishes what the gods drank to sustain themselves from the simple juice of a fruit or the nectar inside a flower. Althouse is correct in her usage and you found no pleonasm (Thesauri are great, aren't they?).

It seems Smilin’ Jack has confused “nectar” (def. 3) with “ambrosia” (def. 1) OOPS.

Still, he gets special bonus points for using "pleonasm," which we just don't see enough of in conversation.


I don't need no stinkin' thesaurus. I just used Ann's own link, which says: Nectar is derived from Latin nectar "drink of the gods"..... Since this is the only usage that connects nectar and gods, it's obviously the one Ann had in mind. If you want to refer to what the gods drank, you can say "nectar" or you can say "drink of the gods", but "nectar of the gods" is redundant.

garage mahal said...

Someone get Queef Lorraine on the horn ASAP.

Or Queen LaQueefa. Haha. Get it.

Michael said...

JSF - Check the profile, genius.

JSF said...

Profile means shit...you know that. When have you ever shown civility to people whose political opinions differ?

C'mon...all those posts on Althouse, you must have TWO.

If not, then the second Michael is doing a good imitation. Don't you just love Karma?

Michael said...

JSF - As an aside, where where YOU when people here called anyone who didn't support the Iraiq invasion or the wiretapping or the torture...traitors or un-American or anti-American?

Do you consider such terms "civil?"

Pot calling the kettle black is all I hear from you...and I don't mean that you personally said such things, but they sure as hell appeared here on a regular basis.

AllenS said...

Michael and Tituseatsshit show up at the same time. Concidence?

Michael said...

JSF said..."Profile means shit..."

Read both of them, fool.

Mine has 946 viewings.

How many on the other? 56?

Do the math.

Justin said...

Pot calling the kettle black is all I hear from you...

That Michael imitator is spot on. I almost can't tell the difference!

Pogo said...

If you came to Althouse wanting to read Michael posts, today would be your day.

No matter the topic, each post becomes a Michael post.

I'd call your little blog experiment a success, Michael, if making a blog unreadably dull is any measure.

And again, you should have asked for IRB approval, but who knows what passes for 'science' at the community college level these days?

Michael said...

JSF - "Don't you just love Karma?"

What is it with this Karma crap?

Do you actually believe in Karma?

Did the people who died on 9/11 have "bad" Karma? How about the people in Mumbai? Or the people on flight 3407 who died in Buffalo?

"Bad" Karma?

For someone who represents themselves as some kind of professional you sound rather simple.

The idiot who's using my moniker strikes me as a very creepy individual who has quite a bit of time on their hands...and as I told you before: I don't believe in Karma...good or bad.

Michael said...

Pogo - I really hate to disappoint you, but I don''t teach at a community college or any college for that matter.

Somehow you and a few others have gotten their little wires crossed and think they know who I am.

There's no "experiment"...nothing...nada.

Sorry.

JSF said...

Michael,

This is not about anyone else -- just you.

Why try to change the subject? YOU wrote some nasty things on the Althouse Blog throuout the years -- and like the Liberals who always found another reason not to support President Bush "but this reason...", "But something else...","

The non-support of the GOP for a democratic president comes from actions such as yours who could not say TWO CIVIL COMMENTS with those who disagree with you.

It's not about 9/11. It's not about what i said. It's all about how you acted.

Michael said...

Justin said..."That Michael imitator is spot on. I almost can't tell the difference!"

Well sure, most of what he posts is a repeat of my initial postings.

And we both know you also have a hard time distinguishing between left and right.

*Here's a test: Right now...in which hand are you holding your dick?

C'mon...QUICK!

Michael said...

JSF - Since you apparently can't or did not read this the first time, let's give it another shot:

"JSF - As an aside, where where YOU when people here called anyone who didn't support the Iraq invasion or the wiretapping or the torture...traitors or un-American or anti-American? Do you consider such terms 'civil?'"

AND

You say: "...and like the Liberals who always found another reason not to support President Bush..."

The "liberals??" The man left office with a 25% approval rating. Are you saying liberals make up 75% of the population?

And you call yourself a professional?

I-don't-think-so.

JSF said...

Michael,

So why do you expect Republcians and Conservatives to support President Obama?

Pogo said...

Forget the chi-square test. The null hypothesis is a bit murky, too.

Are you sure you got IRB approval?

"Somehow you and a few others have ..."
It simply must be an experiment. No one can really be this boring, concrete, and incomprehensible all at once.

Michael said...

My mother is horny, so you must forgive me if I stay away while I make sure she's taken care of.

Back in a couple of minutes.

In the meantime, why don't you all think about killing yourselves.

Peter V. Bella said...

It seems we have a Tale of Two Michaels.

Michael said...

JSF - "So why do you expect Republcians and Conservatives to support President Obama?"

Right now I think every American should support him because of the worldwide economic situation we have. If he fails, we all fail...and he and the rest of the Democrats will pay the price.

But I'm not holding my breath.

The man has held office for a tad over 40 days and based on most of the comments here, and from many in Congress...they just don't want to give his administration any kind of a chance to succeed.

I don't think it's in our country's best interest, but then again, I voted for the man and support him.

Michael said...

"My mother is horny, so you must forgive me if I stay away while I make sure she's taken care of."

Does the word "obsessed" ring a bell?

But...if you must...KEEP 'EM COMING!!

Kirk Parker said...

"Still, he gets special bonus points for using 'pleonasm'"

But immediately forfeits half of them for not recognizing that it's really a Greek word, borrowed into Latin fairly late.

Michael said...

Pogo, I hate to lump you together with the creepy dude using my moniker, but your bizarre assumption that I teach at some kind of community college fits this to a tee:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

Republican said...

Admirer of Rush and Drudge, but voted for Obama.

That can only mean one thing, that Ann's praising upward is aimed at getting noticed & linked, or married.

Ann Althouse-Limbaugh? No.

Michael said...

Republican said..."Admirer of Rush and Drudge, but voted for Obama."

Be careful.

Michael said...

For those who are firmly against Obama's plans and feel he's the devil incarnate, once again you're in the minority:

WSJ/NBC Poll: When Will it be Obama’s Economy?

The vast majority of Americans, 84%, think the current economic conditions were inherited and not caused by President Barack Obama.

Further, the majority of respondents don’t believe Obama will be viewed as responsible for the economy’s state until much later in his term.

Asked at what point Obama will be “mostly responsible for the country’s economic conditions,”

25% said in one to two years...

18% said in two to three years...

23% said in more than three years.

Just 2% said Obama would shoulder the responsibility in his first six months in office.

And 13% said in the first year.

Michael said...

And more:

WSJ/NBC Poll: Democrats Better to Get Country Out of Recession

By more than a two-to-one margin, Americans believe the Democratic Party is better suited to getting the country out of a recession over the Republican Party.

Almost half of all respondents, 48%, identified the Democratic Party...

While just one in five, or 20%, said the Republican Party.

Some 8% said both parties were equally qualified.

While 16% said neither party was qualified.

Comparatively, in December 1990 when the U.S. economy was also going through a recession, the Democratic and Republican parties tied at 33% when asked who was best to lead through a recession.

Meade said...

"Ann Althouse-Limbaugh? No."

But she obviously has a serious crush on Rush.

I can't imagine Drudge would be her type. Too submissive. Like Michael.

It's Rush.

Michael said...

Meade said..."Too submissive. Like Michael."

You might want to run that one by my wife.

*But I do appreciate the fact that you evidently spend time thinking about me.

JSF said...

Michael,

I see you want us to support President Obama -- our views be damned.

However, and I said this as a young Democrat who supported Mondale and Dukakis, say nice things about my guy, and I will return the favor.

Most partisan Democrats are saying, "Support President Obama," Fine. That is their (and your) right. But I can do something you cannot even fathom of doing:

Talking about three policies I support of every president. Last I checked, we only have one at a time. And the last 8 years proved that the partisan Democrats cannot put their partisanship away even for a second (Hello Daily Kos! Hello Gov. Dean! Hello Huffington Post!).

As a test (of which I will partake after you answer): Name 3 policies of the past TWO Presidents that you liked.

Even as I, a partisan Republican, will return the favor. I already have bets that you will not even try.

Remember, policies are a two way street. That's why words like "Logrolling" were invented.

Michael said...

You might want to run that one by my wife (let's call her "Mom", for, er, fun).

*But I do appreciate the fact that you evidently spend time thinking about me.

Because I think about you too, you idiot wingnut. Why don't you go kill yourself?

Pogo said...

Right now I think every American should support him because of .... If he fails, we all fail.

Cute.
But just like some people used to say about Bush, so, it's disingenuous to make that claim now.

I don't hope Obama fails, but I know his plan will fail. It'a an economic certainty. Hoping Obama succeeds id like hoping pigs fly.

Michael said...

Ha Ha!

I'm hoping some idiot wingnut here defends me.

It's important that I get to be rude and hateful to those who disagree with me. I ask for niceness to Obama, then I hope everyone who doesn't like it when I tell them to go kill themselves likes it too!


Ann, you like it when I call all of your commenters hateful names right?

Michael's Mother said...

MICHAEL!

Get in here!

Call those people wingnuts and then get back in here.

I'm horny again!

Michael's Mother said...

And step on it!

Michael said...

Motherrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

I told you to stop calling me here!

Michael said...

Gee Mom,

I can't keep going all night for you - 2 minutes is a lot each time!

Michael said...

Oh, Oh, Oh I almost forgot!

I told palladian to go kill himself just last month!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Obama and others have been saying the day to day discussion of the stock market swings are not conducive or reflective of the long term goals of the stimulus plan. (Obama also said stocks P/E ratios are approaching levels that might spur the buying of stocks.)


And past performance is not indicative or guarantee of future performance yada yad yada.... yet people still gravitate to the stocks/funds that were the highest performers anyway, knowing that there is no guarantee because they are.... or used to be....willing to take that risk.

P/E levels are nice to look at when buying a stock, but more important is the consideration of.....

1.is the government going to tax the company to death and eliminate the E part of the equation?

2. is the government going to "nationalize" the firm and dilute my stock position or make it entirely worthless?

3.is the government going to be meddling and fiddling with the internal processes of the company? Telling the company what kind of cars or products they can make despite the actual consumer demand for OTHER products? Legislating stupid 'green' rules that make it unprofitable to do business?

4. is the government going to make it impossible to borrow money, inflate the cost of living and deflate the value of our currency?
"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency."

Since the answers are yes, yes, yes and yes. Obama is farting blueberries out of his ass when he talks about P/E ratios and stock buying. What an idiot.

Michael said...

JSF - "I see you want us to support President Obama -- our views be damned."

Look, I realize you want to bait me with this drivel, but this is exactly what I said:

"Right now I think every American should support him because of the worldwide economic situation we have. If he fails, we all fail...and he and the rest of the Democrats will pay the price.

But I'm not holding my breath."

I didn't say anybody shouldn't have their own personal "views," that's just part of the process.
I didn't say anybody "had to support" Obama. I didn't say your views "be damned." (I just basically disagree with many that have been posted here.)

If you or anybody else has an alternative suggestion or better yet, a solution, throw it out there. The same goes for Rush or anybody in Congress.

It's called freedom of speech and I'm all for it...whether I agree or not.

Michael said...

Keep 'em coming.

Whoever you are.

Michael said...

It's called freedom of speech and I'm all for it...whether I agree or not.

Which means my freedom to call you any mean or nasty name I want!

I'm going to start bringing back links to some of my favorite hateful work here. I'll link to some really bad quotes - the kind that are really unnecessary.


Mother! Not again!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

We need to photoshop the one of the dog's bandanas a different color so we can tell one obnoxious Michael from the other. :-D

Michael's Mother said...

Michael,

I didn't cum last time!

Get in here!

Michael said...

Okay!

Michael said...

We need to photoshop the one of the dog's bandanas a different color so we can tell one obnoxious Michael from the other. :-D

What are you talking about?

There's only one thoughtless hateful Michael who posts here. ME!

DBQ you are a wingnut!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

DBQ you are a wingnut!

LOL

No I'm Screwloose...Wingnut's superhero sidekick.

Michael said...

DBQ

Good One!

I hate myself!

And pretty much everyone else, too.

Mom's pretty nice, though.

Ralph said...

your ignorance of Latin
Nectar is Greek, but they hired some Hebe to pour it.

Michael said...

Pogo - "I don't hope Obama fails, but I know his plan will fail."

Oh, got that crystal ball out again, huh?

Tell, me...did you also know that after invading Iraq, we'd still be there 6 years later, that 4,000 American soldiers would be dead and another 30,000 wounded?

And if so...why didn't you tell anybody??

Michael said...

Boy...this creepy little dude really has some time on his hands (when he isn't holding his dick).

To literally take the time to duplicate my profile and add my dog's picture...that is a pure obsessive personality.

KEEP 'EM COMING...it's YOUR LIFE.

The Anti-Michael said...

Michael- your penis is inversely proportionate to your mouth. Too bad you were born that way, but no need for you to overcompensate for it as much as you do.

Therapy would be better. Try some Jungian for a few months.

The Anti-Michael said...

Michael - Yes, therapy. You seem to have some deeply troubling issues with women. Was it Mom?

The objectifying, the name calling, the allusions to sex with children - all very troubling.

And of course, the diminution of any woman who holds beliefs that are not identical to yours - very control oriented, aren't you?

The Anti-Michael said...

Can we talk? Are you actually a Muslim hoping to enact sharia law?

A blog in Madison may be the wrong place to start. The Madison women don't take well to subjugation and such.

Ralph said...

"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency."

Gibbon?
Michael, we remember the 70's and don't want to relive them. Too much taxation and too much polyester.

Freeman Hunt said...

The dueling Michaels may be more headache inducing than dueling banjos. There should be a way to tell them apart.

Jason (the commenter) said...

The dueling Michaels may be more headache inducing than dueling banjos. There should be a way to tell them apart.

Michael, if I were to ask the other Micheal who he would say you would say is the real Michael, what would he say?

That should clear things up!

Ralph said...

What did Althouse say that was "unseemly" (I'm on dialup)? She'd jump Rush's bones?

Meade said...

No, Ralph. What was unseemly was when Althouse said something like actually, Rush Limbaugh makes a lot of sense.

AlphaLiberal said...

JSF:
Jon Stewart might have made one or two comments about Obama, but after the SOTU, Stewart still spent more time attacking Jindal then attacking those who are in Power.

a) Jindal is in power. That's the whole "Governor" thing.
b) It wasn't one or two comments, it was a whole skit.
c) George Bush was a motherlode of rich comedic material for our nation's comedians. Comparing jokes about him to, oh, anyone else, is like comparing a brook to the Amazon.

JSF said...

Alpha,

So? You are proving reasons that Jon Stewart is working for Obama.

As I said earlier:

The Daily Show -- Speaking Truth to Power only when the GOP runs the White House!

Revenant said...

Good grief. Who CARES if the Daily Show is politically biased or not? It wouldn't be worth watching even if I was in complete agreement with Stewart's politics. It is a comedy show that just isn't funny anymore.

The Colbert Report, now, that's funny. Left-wing, yes, but still funny. No matter what your corner of the political spectrum is, there's stuff about it to be made fun of.

Richard Fagin said...

I make my damned living from meliorism. Mostsly so practitioners of apoligism can afford to buy gasoline for their Volvos to drive to Save the Earth protests. Screw apologism!

Ben (The Tiger) said...

Do you now, or have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh?

Ben (The Tiger) said...

(Put last comment in scare quotes)

Icepick said...

You forgot the "Bodily Fluids" tag.

reader_iam said...

So marvelous, that "bodily fluids" comment by someone named "ice pick."

Delicious, and LOL.

(And way to go, dear 'Pick.)

Peter V. Bella said...

I just heard Jon Stewart criticize Obama the other day.

The color of his tie or the cut of his suit?

Peter V. Bella said...

Don't forget your rallying cry:
"Teabag liberal Democrats!"


Correction- dirtbag liberal Democrats.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

There should be a way to tell them apart.

I already said..... photo-shop the dog's bandannas or ooooh...maybe one could wear a bow tie or possibly a beanicopter.

That will be the difference.

LoL really loving this "performance art". The real Micheal or whatever should appreciate this too. Somehow...I don't think he is getting as much enjoyment as the rest of us.

Icepick said...

Reader, I always watch for the important stuff.