March 5, 2009

"Why couldn't President Obama have put on more of a show for his British guests?"

"He looked like he simply couldn't be bothered."

ADDED: Telegraph blogger James Delingpole writes:
My favourite theory so far ... was that it was a move calculated to please his Lady Macbeth. At the moment in Britain, we're still in the "Doesn't she look fabulous in a designer frock" stage of understanding of Michelle Obama. Gradually, though, we'll begin to realise that she is every bit the terrifying executive's wife that Hillary Clinton was. Or, shudder, Cherie Blair.

We may just LURVE Michelle's fashion sense. But Michelle doesn't reciprocate our affection, one bit. Her broad-brush view of history associates Brits with the wicked white global hegemony responsible for the slave trade....

Now, there's some loose talk. There's no reason to blame Michelle. This is pure racial fantasizing. Quite bizarre. But Obama should be setting off positive fantasies around the world. That's what he said he'd do. That's what those of us who voted for him believed he would do. Come on! Where's the magic?

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Great White Father George said...
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Leland said...

I did hear Obama made time to catch a B-ball game and put back a beer. Perhaps if PM Brown could shoot hoops, Obama might have played Around-the-World with him.

John said...

Of course he couldn't be bothered. The UK is our ally. It is so GWB to actually pay attention and show loyalty to our allies. This is the new era of smart diplomacy where we ignor the UK and publicly offer to sell out Eastern Europe to the Russians in return for help against Iran. As they say, can anyone here play this game?

Jim said...

So, he's been in office less than two months, and he's been disrespectful to our most important ally, and hung out The Czecks and Poles to dry by using missile defense as a bargaining chip.

The Russian rejection of his Iranian overtures was more embarassing than the Brown visit.

He seems like a community organizer playing in the big leagues and getting it about as wrong as is possible.

I hope his instincts and savvy become more refined with time.

Icepick said...

I guess Europe's also starting to develop buyer's remorse. I'm getting a kick out of watching Obama fuck up every single thing he touches. I’d be worried about having too much Limbaugh in me except that Obama is even starting to lose Matthews.

SteveR said...

The important thing is that they have identified the biggest threat to the United States and thanks to the mind meld of Stephanopolis, Carvile, Begala and Rahm, they are taking down the enormous force that is the Republican Party by going after Rush Limbaugh.

Shanna said...

Foreign policy is looking like a mess lately. I thought the plan was to be NICER to the world. What happened to that?

LarsPorsena said...

"o, he's been in office less than two months, and he's been disrespectful to our most important ally, and hung out The Czecks and Poles to dry by using missile defense as a bargaining chip."

The Czechs and Poles must have the same feeling their predecessors had in the 1930's.

ricpic said...

Obama: the unChurchill.

Big Mike said...

Didn't Obama campaign on strengthening our ties with our allies? Or was that the other guy?

jayne_cobb said...

But I thought the fact that he lived in Indonesia as a child made him an expert on international relations.

Great White Father George said...

A bit off topic, nonetheless..

Met a business woman yesterday. Well-educated, informed, etc.

Asked her what she thought the economy was going to do in the next year or so.

Far-away look came in her eyes.

"I think there's going to be a...a...a...."

It was like she was frozen.

"...a revolt," she finally said, and she added, "I'm a good Democrat. I voted for Obama, but now...I don't know."

She went on to say that she'd lost half of her retirement savings and thought she would never earn them back.

Churchill provided hope. So did FDR. Folks are not getting that from the new guy.

Jim Howard said...

More and more I find myself hoping against hope that Obama is just an idiot.

But I have a sinking feeling that he is actively working to hurt this country in every way he can.

Darcy said...

Priceless, SteveR. ;-)

AllenS said...

This should have been a clue:

Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

Skyler said...

Howard wrote: But I have a sinking feeling that he is actively working to hurt this country in every way he can.

He's only hurting the country if you think communism is bad.

The UK must not be treated respectfully. They may be socialist, but they refused to accept the Euro as their currency, thus they aren't really fully committed to the communist dreams and must be punished.

commenter said...

She went on to say that she'd lost half of her retirement savings and thought she would never earn them back.

ahh crap... i got divorced and lost lots. who cares?

I mean the new generation. We should let them steer the ship and have the work, not us older americans. And stop the dang worries of retirement. Have you no hope that your children will take care of you if you have no money? And not the government? I mean how many moms went to work just to put that money in the bank so all these kids would have the money to be educated and have wonderful careers. Won't the kids return the favor?

jdeeripper said...

Obama writes in one of his many autobiographies that his adult grandfather was treated like a "boy" by the British colonials in Kenya.

Who knows if his rejection of the symbol of Britishness was a conscious or unconscious pay back for the humiliation of his African grandfather.

Obama has ALWAYS been obsessed with race and power even as his White followers have pretended that he represents a "post Racial" world.

fcai said...

Obama doesn't like white people.

And what he meant when he said that he would "strengthen ties with our allies" was "strengthen ties countries He likes" - Cuba, North Korea, Iran and so on.

Give it time - His foreign policy will be as clear and successful as His financial policy.

garage mahal said...

No, he just hates you. With perfectly good reasons.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I have never ever been so ashamed to be an American. And I have never ever been so afraid for our Country's future.

Like the woman mentioned above, I do believe that there will be a revolt. It will get a lot worse before it gets better: hopefully by my grandchildren's adulthood.

Our "Greatest Generation" came out of the Great Depression, perhaps there may be a bright side to the hell on earth that Obama is bringing not just to the United States but to the whole world.

And before garage can chime in with Debbie Downer....fuck you and your 73 Pinto you drove in on.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Stand up to Obama and he grovels to you or gives you tons of free publicity. Be nice to him and he treats you like crap.

He's like one of those girls that dates jerks and dumps nice guys, then wonders why her life is so chaotic.

Shanna said...

If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."

I’m still pissed that Obama was basically out their saying women shouldn’t be careful of strange men on the street. Some of them are dangerous, asshole, and your grandmother was probably far more aware of that then you are. He needs to read the gift of fear.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Everything I need to know about Obama I learned in high school.

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Palladian said...

"But Obama should be setting off positive fantasies around the world. That's what he said he'd do. That's what those of us who voted for him believed he would do."

Suckers!

Haha.

Palladian said...

"But Obama should be setting off positive fantasies around the world."

And he is setting off positive fantasies around the world: America is collapsing, America is being humbled, America is being brought to her knees. Nothing could be more positive to our "friends" around the world. They've been hoping for it for at least half a century. Now we've elected just the guy to make those fantasies into reality.

garage mahal said...

And before garage can chime in with Debbie Downer....fuck you and your 73 Pinto you drove in on.

LOL. Revolt! Tea Party! There are literally dozens of people around the country taking it to the streets that can't take it anymore after a month of this, did you check with Instapundit to find out how you can join?

Palladian said...

I love the glee with which people like garage mahal are greeting the destruction of America. It sort of backs up my theory that Obama and his people want our financial system to completely unravel.

JAL said...

This should have been a clue:

Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know (pause) there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."


Yeah. And doesn't that make you wonder what Mrs. Dunham thought about her 17 year old daughter sleeping and gettting impregnated by the (married) foreign student from Africa?

But there is something else going on here, as it sure seems like Frank Marshall Davis was welcome in the Dunham home.

So. We'll never know, but we do had a glimpse into Obama's head last fall which should have given a heck of a lot of smart people a big, a really big, clue.

Darcy said...

Palladian, it just really hit me reading your last comment that it is so true. We are projecting nothing but weakness right now. And slighting our closest allies.
Frightening.

Palladian said...

I've never seen our lefties happier than the last couple of months as people's finances have been ruined and businesses have failed and our country has been signed away into eternal debtor's servitude to China. They're grinning like pigs in shit. They love it.

john said...

Even in the 1940's when Churchill was recognized as the symbol of a less-than-useless British presence in WW2, FDR still treated him with the best Scotch, cigars, and formal dinners with ample bosoms on either side of his place of honor, to leer and make rude jokes about when he visited the US.

You would think that Obama had some sense of history.

bearbee said...

Who is his foreign affairs advisor?

Sec of State, Chief of Staff, Biden?

Cabinet

bearbee said...

....and our country has been signed away into eternal debtor's servitude to China. They're grinning like pigs in shit. They love it.

Hope their Mandarin is up to snuff.

JAL said...

Palladian -- Alinsky's (ergo Obama's) goal is to take from the Haves (he capitalizes it) and give to the Have-nots. Sez so in his book.

And there is no moral imperative to do it nicely. There is no moral, period.

The strategy is to Get the Power and then you can do whatever the hell you want. Since Wall Street and Business are The Enemy, you go after them.

Remember Michelle?
"Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

A little late to recall caveat emptor.

So many smart people, such a bad choice.

JAL said...

I really cannot believe he dissed Brown sooooo badly.

Pogo said...

"Obama and his people want our financial system to completely unravel."

Yes. Rahm Emanuel wasn't joking when he said this last November:
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before."

I just picked up the book Welcome to Obamaland: I Have Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work last night. it's hella funny/scary/true so far.

The author is the very same James Delingpole that Althouse quotes above.

Lari said...

A lot of foolish people were suckered by this America-hating Marxist. The scope of his destructive agenda and totalitarian ambitions will become clear to everyone in time, but the more foolish and ignorant, the longer it will take to sink in.

Some of us new him right away, almost instinctively. Some figured him out after Reverend God Damn America. Some after the response to JTP's question.

Some were naive or obtuse enough to actually think he was sober, moderate, calm, intelligent, or possessing anyone of a number of fanciful attributes, and actually vote for this narcissistic totalitarian.

And there are lots of foolish stupid sheeple who still think he's a force for good.

Well some folks are idiots right up to the bitter end. Nothing new about that.

And the asshole above who thinks that only dozens of people will revolt when millions see their freedoms and property go up in smoke has a rude awakening in his future.

garage mahal said...

I love the glee with which people like garage mahal are greeting the destruction of America. It sort of backs up my theory that Obama and his people want our financial system to completely unravel.

The glee is from observing weirdos like you and DBQ yelling at clouds. I admit this is a guilty pleasure. I used to think most if not all this was just blowing off steam, that you really didn't believe stupid shit like this recession started the day Obama took office. But now I'm convinced you really do believe it. It's just fucking weird. It's not grounded in any sort of reality except the minds of bizarro conspiracy theorists at Worldnetdaily and the like. In fact, the entire right IS Worldnetdaily now.

Mark said...

"I really cannot believe he dissed Brown sooooo badly."

I've been (and largely remain) of the "Obama is incompetent" theory of recent foreign relations (as opposed to "Obama is a prettier Chavez" camp).

But this snub was so over-the-top it's hard to see it as anything but calculated. The Obama administration had to work to be as rude as it was to Brown.

Maybe this was some kind of fantasy fulfillment of the "Dreams of My Father" variety. If so, we've got a dangerously petty man as President right now.

bearbee said...

America is collapsing, America is being humbled, America is being brought to her knees. Nothing could be more positive to our "friends" around the world. They've been hoping for it for at least half a century. Now we've elected just the guy to make those fantasies into reality.

Will we be left to
TWIST IN THE WIND?

Pogo said...

Obamaland book excerpt:
"Think of me as the hero of H. G. Wells's The Time Machine, bursting into your present, my clothes all tattered and torn, and on my face an expression of dire horror and impending doom. For I am afraid I have a terrible message to impart. I have just seen the future. Your future. And I'm sorry to say it sucks. This new president you've elected. You think he's going to make everything okay, right? Even if you didn't vote for him, you're kind of hoping that some good must surely come of it. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's the sound of me laughing darkly, by the way. So what, if any, consolation do I have to offer you in these dark and difficult times? Precious little, I'm afraid. Virtually nothing in fact, save the warm, self-affirmatory glow you get when someone tells you you're right, that some day your beliefs will be vindicated, that however long it takes, reality will win out."

JAL said...

commenter -- you're an idiot.

How old are you?

It's not about having the government taking care of people. It is exactly the opposite.

And I AM taking care of my 92 year old mother. And we DID lose a huge amount of a small sensibly placed 401(k).

So go to hell.
(

JAL said...

DBQ, my alter ego, is seeping through.

MayBee said...

He treated Japan's Aso in pretty much the same shoddy way.

The exciting speculation becomes: Who will be the first foreign head of State Obama treats well?

AllenS said...

garage said...

"I admit this is a guilty pleasure."

Do you realize how many people this is affecting? Do you really think that this is only impacting some kind of right wing homeowner/worker. Are you that full of hatred not to notice the devastating impact this is having on ordinary people?

Great White Father George said...

MACDUFF

O Banquo, Banquo,
Our royal master 's murder'd!


LADY MACBETH

Woe, alas!
What, in our house?

JAL said...

If so, we've got a dangerously petty man as President right now.

"petty" is not the word.

It's going top be a long four years.

And 2010 can't come too soon.

Pogo said...

James Delingpole:

"Most people don’t want to hear this at the moment. Just as they didn’t want to hear it during that previous ‘new dawn’ in May 1997. No one likes being told that those magnificent, invisible imperial threads they’ve been salivating over don’t actually exist. Besides trampling on their dreams, it makes them feel stupid, which is why the reaction to my book’s title — even among British people who you might have thought by now would know better — is more often than not a mix of surprise, hurt and horror."

Hoosier Daddy said...

The Czechs and Poles must have the same feeling their predecessors had in the 1930's.

No kidding. All we need now is Obama coming home from meeting Amrageddonjad in Tehrean waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our time.

The man makes Bush look like an elder statesman in comparison.

Richard Dolan said...

Ann: "That's what those of us who voted for him believed he would do. Come on! Where's the magic?"

Sounds like Ann may be a prospective member of the MoDo Remorse Club, along with David Brooks, Chris Buckley, Marty Peretz, Sully and an ever-expanding list. Glenn Reynolds has been covering the story.

dbp said...

VodkaPundit had it exactly right in a tweet this morning...


"smart diplomacy" -- groveling to talk to your rivals and enemies while kicking your friends in the nads. Smart!

exhelodrvr1 said...

Unfortunately, only 47% of us saw through the BS.

Michael Hasenstab said...

DJIA 6000 here we come.

Glad I finally sold all equities when Dow was at 7500; pissed that I didn't do so when Obama was elected.

Park in bonds until there is a floor that will hold, and a persistent turnaround in housing starts.

Fucking redistributionists.

Big Mike said...

@garage, no sane person believes that the recession started with Obama's inauguration -- that's a straw man of your own creation. And you only make yourself look like an idiot for setting it up.

A recession has a formal, technical definition and by that definition the recession started in the first quarter of 2008. But until last December it wasn't really all that deep in historic terms. In the 40 days (it only feels like 40 years) Barack Obama has been in office he has done everything possible to make the recession deeper and nastier. The only debate is whether he has done this because he is ignorant and inexperienced, or because he is actually malicious. I hope it's the former, but I'm starting to fear that it's the latter.

Getting back to the point of Professor Althouse's post, Barack Obama has been described as uninterested in foreign policy. Pity. Because the rest of the world still exists whether he likes it or not, and as President of the United States it's in his job description to deal with it. I was a teenager when JFK took office, and among all the presidents I have seen -- including Gerald Ford being thrust into an office he never campaigned for -- I'd have to rank Barack Obama as being worst by a huge margin.

Peter V. Bella said...

The Brits are not important. France and what they think about us is really important. WHat will the world come to if France stops exporting wine, cheese, and chefs to America. Oh, perish the thought.

PatCA said...

It was insulting treatment, but why did they do it is the question. Michelle gave the Brown child "gifts" -- models of Marine One which sell for $15 in the Gift Shop! Mrs. Brown gave the two girls dresses and jewelery and books by English authors.

Are they just clueless, or are they mad that England liked W better? They insult allies and grovel to enemies. No small surprise, Hugo Baby seized an American food company today. I can't wait till they ask the White House for help.

Kevin said...

Park in bonds until there is a floor that will hold, and a persistent turnaround in housing starts.I'm in money market right now because I'm afraid I'll get reamed again when inflation kicks in if I'm in bonds. Plus I don't really trust treasuries anymore.

Never thought I'd say that, thanks Obama!

garage mahal said...

The only debate is whether he has done this because he is ignorant and inexperienced, or because he is actually malicious. I hope it's the former, but I'm starting to fear that it's the latter.

Like I said, Worldnetdaily material. Right alongside The Birthers. The guy who received more contributions from Wall Street backers in history did an about face and is now on a hell bent mission to destroy them.

Smilin' Jack said...

But Obama should be setting off positive fantasies around the world. That's what he said he'd do. That's what those of us who voted for him believed he would do. Come on! Where's the magic?

Patience! People around the world have always envied and resented America for being powerful, prosperous, and free. Obama is doing everything he can to change that. You just need to give him a little more time. Pretty soon Americans won't be the envy of anyone.

madawaskan said...
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madawaskan said...

Icepick

It also looks like he's lost Mo Do and Dana Milbanks-who had a particularly excoriating column about Obamas treatment of Prime Minister Brown.

madawaskan said...

hanna said-

He needs to read the gift of fear.

I am not familiar with that book-but looks like he has the gift of fear all right.

Well, make that domestically on the economic front-foreign policy not so much.

In fact he's signaled to the rest of the world that we are in retreat as a super power, and we are going to leave our old allies.

A global economic crisis is in the offing and it's funny how Bush attackers on all fronts are only noticing that complexity now.

Obama has essentially said to the despots around the world-

come play in the killing fields of the vacuum.

It's only a matter of time before they take him up on that invitation.

pj said...

And for how long have I been listening to Brits slobber over this guy every bit as much as Euros? They almost deserve it just for putting me through yet another facet of O worship.

Trooper York said...

Well as a half an Irishman, I must say that this is the one thing that President Obama has done that I am happy about. You never do wrong when you disrespect Perfidious Albion.

Andrew Jackson is smiling right now.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Like I said, Worldnetdaily material. Right alongside The Birthers. The guy who received more contributions from Wall Street backers in history did an about face and is now on a hell bent mission to destroy them.

Well as the DOW is now down 200 last I looked, I'd say they were just another percentage of the 52% that Obama hoodwinked into buying into his Hope & Change bullshit. The stock market is in large part run on investor confidence and Mr. Barely isn't instilling of lot of that as of late.

Go ahead and keep sucking up Garage. For a guy who talked a good game about strengthening our alliances, he's doing a pretty piss poor job.

Then again, Hillary is Sec of State and he may very well blame the shoddy reception on her and toss her big ass under the bus. Then what of what will thoust do?

Rich B said...

The collected musings of garage mahal:

The glee is from observing weirdos like you and DBQ yelling at clouds. I admit this is a guilty pleasure. I used to think most if not all this was just blowing off steam, that you really didn't believe stupid shit like this recession started the day Obama took office. But now I'm convinced you really do believe it. It's just fucking weird. It's not grounded in any sort of reality except the minds of bizarro conspiracy theorists at Worldnetdaily and the like. In fact, the entire right IS Worldnetdaily now.

LOL. Revolt! Tea Party! There are literally dozens of people around the country taking it to the streets that can't take it anymore after a month of this, did you check with Instapundit to find out how you can join?

No, he just hates you. With perfectly good reasons.

Like I said, Worldnetdaily material. Right alongside The Birthers. The guy who received more contributions from Wall Street backers in history did an about face and is now on a hell bent mission to destroy them.

When you put it all together, there is a remarkable coherence and consistency, dontcha think?

Beth said...

Trooper, then I'll raise one to President O'Bama on Saturday, while I kiss a marching Irishman in return for green paper flowers.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Christ. Cut the guy some slack. He's busy ramping up his 2012 campaign run against Rush Limbaugh. He doesn't have time to worry about another 10, 15, 20 percent drop in 401k values. After all, he probably doesn't know anyone who has a 401k. And besides, once those folks are wiped out, they will have no choice but to depend on the government for whatever meager stipend they are allowed.

pj said...

I've been noting his investments mentioned in the articles over the years. First he wasn't invested at all. This is why it took two Ivy League grads until their 40s to pay off their student loans. Then he went into municipal bonds - just in time to avoid his own taxes. So, you see, he's *not* feeling it.

Trooper York said...

Thanks Beth. I am an originalist who believes in the values that started our great country. Getting drunk on rum, fighting with the English and stealing things from the Indians.

Since Obama is busy nationalizing shit these days, maybe he nationalize a few freaking casinos. I dropped a bundle the last time I went to the Mohegan Sun and I want reparations. Now!

AlgonquinS said...

Heh, heh, heh.

Trooper York said...

Chuckle all you want you rapacious redskin but we are coming for you!

No justice no peace pipe.

Zeb Quinn said...

My own theory about Obama's treatment of Britain and Brown has much less to do with Obama's Kenyan heritage or the history of the slave trade. It's mostly much simpler and direct than that. Because the Brits stood resolutely by GWB from 9/11 all the way through the invasion of Iraq and beyond, and GWB talked up the "special relationship," Obama is ostentatiously breaking from that and otherwise making them pay.

As for the economy, Obama has plenty of time for it to recover all on its own. And he'll get the credit for it and be lionized as a genius in the media when it does. That's prolly what he's counting on too.

Jason (the commenter) said...

It gets worse.

The British PM was trying to hide the fact that Obama gave him a collection of 25 DVDs as his official present.

The British PM gave Obama:

"an ornamental desk pen holder made from the oak timbers of Victorian anti-slaver HMS Gannet, once named HMS President"

"the framed commission for HMS Resolute, a vessel that came to symbolise Anglo-US peace when it was saved from ice packs by Americans and given to Queen Victoria"

"a first edition set of the seven-volume classic biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert"

madawaskan said...

Damn it-

Sorry I meant

Shanna said-not hanna.

Trooper York said...

Hey that complete collection of the Jeffersons and Good Times is a very nice gift. Those limeys have no reason to complain.

AlgonquinS said...

No firewater, no treaty!

john said...

Since Obama is busy nationalizing shit these days....

Will that be measured by the loaf? I'm confused, is that extra revenue or higher taxes for Titus?

Trooper York said...

Imagine if he gave him some of that PBS crap. That Brideshead Revisited is some boring shit.

JAL said...

garage mocks: The guy who received more contributions from Wall Street backers in history did an about face and is now on a hell bent mission to destroy them.

Haven't read Alinsky, much, have you?

Could answer your own mock with a few skims.

Or you have, and think we haven't?

bearbee said...

No small surprise, Hugo Baby seized an American food company today.

Ohhhh.......goody. I can just envision Joe Kennedy in his food assist from Venezuela to the poor and hungry in America commercial.

Trooper York said...

Hey Allen what's up with this Algonguin stuff?

I thought you were a Hekawi?

madawaskan said...

Jason-

Oh Holy Hell!

I thought you were joking.

I'm going to puke, what the hell is wrong with Obama-can't he hide whatever the hell it is-better than that?

AlgonquinS said...

And don't think about bringing me any of that bead crap, I want bling!

AlgonquinS said...

It's a sock thing, you wouldn't understand.

Hoosier Daddy said...

The British PM was trying to hide the fact that Obama gave him a collection of 25 DVDs as his official present.

They say what they were? The complete collection of Fat Albert?

John said...

garage,

You are right that Obama got a huge amount of Wall Street money. I guess you don't pay attention to this stuff, but those people are now incensed at him. Whoever runs against Obama in 2012 will set a new record for wall street donations then.

John at 9:59, that was a silly thing to say about the brits in WWII. Churchill did make a lot of strategic mistakes, and Montgomery did do a crappy job. But their troops fought very well, lots of them died, and they didn't give up. If the brits hadn't held out alone in 1940, Hitler might well have beat Russia, and then the nazis would still be there. Give the respect.

The Other John

john said...

Jason - one of the commenters wondered if those DVDs would even work over in England.

Perhaps Brown was able to carry that Churchill bust back with him (saves the W.H. some postage and insurance charges). Along with that great model of Marine One for the kids, which would have probably been appreciated more had Michelle remembered to remove the price tag.

Eric said...

I wonder what the moonbats at State think of Obama now. Has anyone talked to Colin Powell about this?

And who would have thought the Brits would be missing Bush so early on?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Churchill did make a lot of strategic mistakes, and Montgomery did do a crappy job.

Monty gets a pretty bad rap but you have to understand a few things. First, Monty, unlike Ike, fought in WW1 where he first hand witnessed the slaughter of the cream of the British army. Naturally he was a cautious commander with that experience. Second, Britian, unlike the USA, had a very finite number of men available for conscription which keep in mind, were strung across the globe fighting the Japs as well.

But their troops fought very well, lots of them died, and they didn't give up. If the brits hadn't held out alone in 1940, Hitler might well have beat Russia, and then the nazis would still be there. Give the respect.

Most German commanders didn't relish going up against British soldiers and had a large amount of respect for thier fighting abilities. To paraphrase one German general whose name I can't recall immediately, "We respected the British fighting spirit, feared the Russian fanaticism and were terrified of American artillery."

Paul Zrimsek said...

This is the first I've heard about DVDs. Reuters was reporting that brown's biggest beef with his present was that it would clap on but wouldn't clap off.

Hoosier Daddy said...

If the brits hadn't held out alone in 1940, Hitler might well have beat Russia,

Well most likely not. While the Brits did keep Hitler looking over his shoulder, thier participation up until we got in the war wasn't likely to have changed the outcome of the Eastern Front.

Trooper York said...

I thought Bill Clinton was the President that used to give vistors the clap?

Paul Zrimsek said...

The toy helicopters were a last-minute improvisation. The kids were originally supposed to get controlling interest in GM, until the chief protocol officer pointed out that the insult might create an international incident.

Anthony said...

I have to say, as much hyperventilating as we are doing about this, given the news media, it is likely not going to have any impact whatsoever on the general public. This observation called it perfectly:
As for the economy, Obama has plenty of time for it to recover all on its own. And he'll get the credit for it and be lionized as a genius in the media when it does

garage mahal said...

You are right that Obama got a huge amount of Wall Street money. I guess you don't pay attention to this stuff, but those people are now incensed at him.

Who would that be? The same idiots atthat up until a few months ago we're telling everyone to keep buying, that there was no recession? The same exact people that are responsible for losing all those billions through ponzi derivative trading? The same people that were wrong about EVERYTHING? C'mon man.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I have to say, as much hyperventilating as we are doing about this, given the news media, it is likely not going to have any impact whatsoever on the general public.

You're probably right. Commenting endlessly about how a president is damaging our international friendships only matters when Bush did it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Who would that be? The same idiots atthat up until a few months ago we're telling everyone to keep buying, that there was no recession? The same exact people that are responsible for losing all those billions through ponzi derivative trading?

yes garage, the same idiots that supported Obama.

Synova said...

I really cannot believe he dissed Brown sooooo badly.

What I'm thinking is that Obama dissed the British PRESS more than he dissed Brown. And it may be the bigger mistake to have made.

The criticisms I've read hinge on such things as him saying that Britain is "one" of our most valuable allies, instead of an unequivocal "our most valuable ally." That's sort of thin. (And I'm still holding out hope that the helicopters were the deluxe limited edition models.)

In any case, this ought not be NEWS to anyone that Obama has a sort of tin ear. While he was planning to become president and CiC he alienated and insulted our military (a cultural misstep) and offended Pahkistahn by declaring that he'd violate that country's borders (failing to recognize the necessity of deniability for the rulers of that nation) and announced that he'd just up and talk to anyone, which had to be interpreted as a statement of weakness or capitulation. But those voting for him loved it. The result is that he *bought* a situation where he's got no cards to play with Russia, no leverage, because he already announced that he doesn't support any of the things that he might have used to trade with them (meaning he insulted Poland for no gain), we lost air access to Afghanistan (his "good" war) from a K-stan base and now must rely even more on the offended Pakistani government to maintain access and resupply. And now he failed to make Britain feel special enough.

But the Democrats aren't really *supposed* to be that good at foreign policy, right? Their strength is supposed to be Domestic policy.

And there? Domestically he fails to instill confidence that all will be well, happy days are here again, the sun will come out tomorrow... and why?

Because the people who voted for him are the same ones that savaged Bush over his admonition that after 9-11 we all go shopping... who felt it was wrong that we weren't asked to be miserable and sacrifice to support the war.

It's a very simple dynamic in which we prove our high intellect by bravely facing Truth.

Leadership is projecting optimism and confidence. Proving intellectual creds through negativity is the purview of Freshman students at Berkeley.

JAL said...

Obama gave him a collection of 25 DVDs as his official present.

Let's make a list:
I'll start.

The Complete Godfather
Ishtar
....
...

Eric said...

The same people that were wrong about EVERYTHING? C'mon man.

Heh. That would be you.

Hoosier Daddy said...

As for the economy, Obama has plenty of time for it to recover all on its own.

Actually he has 4 years which, considering this is the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression it's unlikely to turn around in that timeframe considering Obambi's plan is FDR's New Deal reduex and that only took...lets see....7 years and the Japs to drag us into a world war.

Assuming the economy stays where it is now, I'm pretty confident Obama will be tossed back to community organizing in Chi-town where he belongs.

garage mahal said...

Sorry, it's hard to argue with America Haters. Always blaming America first and siding with Eurotrash commies. Tsk tsk.

Shanna said...

The British PM was trying to hide the fact that Obama gave him a collection of 25 DVDs as his official present.

YOu have got to be kidding me. That is not a grown up gift. WTF?

The article says they were given away. I wonder if they were the wrong region type for England.

JAL said...

we lost air access to Afghanistan (his "good" war) from a K-stan base and now must rely even more on the offended Pakistani government to maintain access and resupply.

So when we leave Afgahnistan in defeat, it will be someone else's fault... Pahkistan, Kyrgystan...

With no due respect to his "I screwed up." this is a man who has some serious Wrong Thinking in approaching the job of POTUS.

Trooper York said...

I am with you garage. Screw those limey poofters. He should have just bought ‘em a toothbrush and sent on their way.

We are coming up soon the 200 anniversary of the War of 1812. When they burned down the White House. I say let them rot.

Trooper York said...

I mean the English aren't cool anymore. Even Madonna went back to banging Puerto Ricans.

madawaskan said...

Come on Synova-

He made such effort to pronounce Pakistan well!

Somebody really needs to help Obama in the gifts department-

I wonder what he'll give Angela Merkel?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Sorry, it's hard to argue with America Haters. Always blaming America first and siding with Eurotrash commies. Tsk tsk.

garage, come clean, doesn't it just tear you up that this former very junior senator from Illinois is demonstrating that he's not fit to wear the pantsuit of your favorite girl?

I mean Hillary! would never do that to our stalwart ally and her strong demeanor would have sent shockwaves of confidence into Wall Street that would have the Dow to 10,000 by now.

And I say that half in jest.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I wonder what he'll give Angela Merkel?

Foot massage. Cause he's the foot fuckin master.

Michael Hasenstab said...

The DVDs included Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, the complete set of Benny Hill and many other American classic movies.

madawaskan said...

Hoosier-

Gawd-I think Obama just gave Gordon some version of the Full Monty...

I'm thinking Sarkozy gets the unedited Ishtar...I'm just sayin'.

MayBee said...

Let's make a list:

The Patriot
Braveheart
Rob Roy
Zulu Dawn
Ghandi

madawaskan said...

Oh! Merkel gets Das Boot so to speak....

What's he gonna gift the Poles with?

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Michael said...

So, some clown writes a nasty article about our President, based on what? Body language? No flags?

And the local "pack" immediately jumps on the bandwagon?

Now that's what I call loyal and true American pride.

I realize most here are not Obama supporters, but this kind of silly criticism is petty and makes you look small.

Michael said...

Hoosier - "...doesn't it just tear you up that this former very junior senator from Illinois is demonstrating that he's not fit to wear the pantsuit of your favorite girl?"

Based on his first 45 days in office?

And after supporting G.W. for eight long years?

You have absolutely no credibility and bitching like this merely groups you in with all of the other wingnut whiners who just can't get over Obama winning the election.

Get-a-fucking-life.

madawaskan said...

I'm thinking Taiwan gets The Alamo dubbed in Chinese...

AllenS said...

Dow 6,614.43 -261.41

Go get 'em Obama.

Trooper York said...

No they get 55 Days in Peiking with Ava Gardner and Charlton Heston and David Niven.

Trooper York said...

The Poles get "The Big Lebowski."

garage mahal said...

I mean Hillary! would never do that to our stalwart ally and her strong demeanor would have sent shockwaves of confidence into Wall Street that would have the Dow to 10,000 by now.

AIG just lost 60 billion dollars in 3 months, yet you think a "strong demeanor", whatever the hell that means, could correct that.

LarsPorsena said...

"The Poles get "The Big Lebowski."

Thanks, Dude.

paul a'barge said...

Where's the magic?

Thanks go out to all you who voted for this mutt.

You really stabbed America in the back.

Trooper York said...

"Where's the magic?"

There at home tonight playing the Nets. Take the points.

Jon said...

I have no sympathy for the Brits and their hurt feelings. For 8 years Bush went out of his way to treat the UK not just with respect, but like a near-equal, instead of the has-been, relatively unimportant country that it actually is. And most of the British public repaid him for it with hatred and scorn.

john said...

John - you are right, I was more severe than I meant that sentence to be. My point, poorly made, was that many here had little sympathy for the UK at the outset of the German offensive. And later in the push toward Berlin the opinion of US commanders was that the Brits were unable to do their part.

FDR may have been one of the few friends that Churchill had, even when Churchill was reduced to begging in Quebec. I admire Churchill immensely, not just for his amazing leadership during England's dark years of 1939-1940, but especially later when he was one of the few who foresaw in German surrender the domination by the Soviet empire. (A couple of great reads are Max Hasting's "Armageddon", and Michael Beschloss's "The Conquerors").

I understand why Obama would not want Churchill's bust in his office.

Freeman Hunt said...

It does, at least, put to rest the myth that Obama exudes class. Not quite.

madawaskan said...

Well at least he wouldn't give them the Big Lewinsky that would be the other guy.

garage mahal said...

What's funny is reading the comments at the link. They think the coverage of the "sleight" is nutty.

madawaskan said...

Actually on second though speaking of Madonna Taiwan gets-

Shanghai Surprise!

Trooper York said...

Hey if we are lucky he will give the french Jerry Lewis. Not a DVD. The actual Jerry Lewis.

Trooper York said...

In fact we can throw in Paris Hilton and another whore to be named later.

Michael said...

paul a'barge said..."Thanks go out to all you who voted for this mutt. You really stabbed America in the back.

Thanks, jerkoff.

Michael said...

"They think the coverage of the "sleight" is nutty."

You actually think most here care about any form of alternative opinion?

Get real.

SUDDENLY...we have a massive British support group assembled and ready for action.

ANYTHING to denigrate our President.

LarsPorsena said...

"I have no sympathy for the Brits and their hurt feelings. For 8 years Bush went out of his way to treat the UK not just with respect, but like a near-equal, instead of the has-been, relatively unimportant country that it actually is. And most of the British public repaid him for it with hatred and scorn."

You are too dismissive of the Brits.
The field a tough and courageous field force. The are punching above their weight in Afghanistan.
They fight by our side. Being contemptuous of them is unworthy and damaging to our national interest.

madawaskan said...

The Aussies...weren't they the reason he couldn't get into Blair House?

Somehow I think they get Sean Penn.

Trooper York said...

To tie it all together, Gordie Browne was the name of the weatherman on the Mary Tyler Moore show. He was played by John Amos who was also the dad in "Good Times." So a gift of the complete collection of "Good Times" would be completely appropriate. Some young staffer just got the names confused. We should give him a break.

JAL said...

Uuhhhmmm, MayBee ...You don't really think President Obama is familiar with any of those in your list, do you?

john said...

Hey Michael -

Feel free to use this comment for the next 2 years so you can save some time typing:

For Chrissakes, based on what, being in office 60 days? You had Bush for 8 years, so fuck off /insert Alhouse wingnut name/. ANYTHING to denigrate our President.

You asshole, based on what, being in office 180 days? You had Bush for 8 years, so fuck off /insert Alhouse wingnut name/. ANYTHING to denigrate our President.

You dickhead, based on what, being in office a year? You had Bush for 8 years, so fuck off /insert Alhouse wingnut name/. ANYTHING to denigrate our President.

Zeb Quinn said...

Actually he has 4 years which, considering this is the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression it's unlikely to turn around in that timeframe

Well, actually the numbers say things were worse in 1979-1982. Double-digit inflation, double digit unemployment, 21% prime rate. Carter widely gets the blame, even though it wasn't until it bottomed out, over a year into Reagan's first term

The market though, that's another story. I'm one who believes the market rise over the last 13 years were of dubious merit. It was always riding for a fall. So now it has fallen, and when it doesn't go back to 12,000+ over the next few years Obama may get the blame for that.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Let's make a list:

Song of Russia

AllenS said...

Gas is $1.99 in WI now. Let's not forget what Obama said when gas was $4.00. "I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment"

Go get 'em Obama!

garage mahal said...

Feel free to use this comment for the next 2 years so you can save some time typing:

Hmm, I remember Democrats holding hands with Republicans and singing on the Capitol steps, and subsequently giving them virtually anything they wanted. I wonder how Democrats would have been received if they unanimously voted no on what Bush wanted, said they hoped Bush failed, and asked him for a birth certificate.

chickenlittle said...

ANYTHING to denigrate our President.

Watch your language!

madawaskan said...
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Hoosier Daddy said...

What's he gonna gift the Poles with?

Angela Merkel.

madawaskan said...

Ignorance is Bliss-

Ukraine gets-

Back to the U.S.S.R!

covered by Green Day.

Daryl said...

Worst. President. Ever.

He chooses fairness over prosperity--so our economic crisis deepens.

He chooses our enemies over our allies--so our stature in the world shrinks.

What kind of stupid idiot voted for this clown? They're the ones who deserve the blame, not Barack. He can't help himself.

And look how they make excuses for his ugly, spiteful, Klingon-esque worf--I mean, wife. She hates all of us, she resents us, and she wants us to fail. That was clear from day 1 and it's clear now based on her handling of duties as First Lady.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Well, actually the numbers say things were worse in 1979-1982.

Probably then again my italics were simply emphasizing that Obama and Co. keep repeating the worst economy since the Great Depression at every turn.

Hoosier Daddy said...

You have absolutely no credibility and bitching like this merely groups you in with all of the other wingnut whiners who just can't get over Obama winning the election.

Get-a-fucking-life.


Michael, you questioning my credibility is the highlight of my day. I'm still quivering from laughter.

Oh, and go fuck yourself too.

Trooper York said...

Hey when the Saudi's come by he should give them "Babe A Pig in the City"

The remake starring Sarah Jesscia Parker.

MayBee said...

Uuhhhmmm, MayBee

Ok.
How about Liam Neeson's "Michael Collins"?

MadisonMan said...

And look how they make excuses for his ugly, spiteful, Klingon-esque worf--I mean, wife. She hates all of us, she resents us, and she wants us to fail.

Which is odd, because you seem just so likeable!

madawaskan said...

Raul Castro gets Rihanna's Umbrella dedicated to him.

You have my heart
And we'll never be worlds apart
Maybe in magazines
But you'll still be my star

Baby 'cause in the dark
You can't see shiny cars
And that's when you need me there
With you I'll always share
Because

When the sun shines, we'll shine together
Told you I'll be here forever
Said I'll always be a friend
Took an oath, I'ma stick it out till the end

Now that it's raining more than ever
Know that we'll still have each other
You can stand under my umbrella

These fancy things, will never come in between
You're part of my entity, here for infinity
When the war has torn us apart
When the world has dealt it's cards
If the hand is hard, together we'll mend your heart
Because

When the sun shines, we'll shine together
Told you I'll be here forever
Said I'll always be a friend
Took an oath, I'ma stick it out till the end

Now that it's raining more than ever
Know that we'll still have each other
You can stand under my umbrellla

you tube

LarsPorsena said...

MM:
I suspect Daryl is doing a parody for Michael's edification.

madawaskan said...

The rest of us get the Jay-Z version-

Jay-Z:
Ahuh ahuh (yea Rihanna)
Ahuh ahuh (good girl gone bad)
Ahuh ahuh (take three... action)
Ahuh ahuh
No clouds in my storms
Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank (Rihanna: eh eh)
Comin' down with the Dow Jones
When the clouds come we gone
We Rocafella (Rihanna: eh eh)

Peter V. Bella said...

Once the One repairs our relationship with the French and the Brie and Bordeaux start flowing again, the next important country is Mexico. They are really more important than Britain. Millions and millions of ILLEGAL aliens to give amnesty to- future democrat voters.

Then we must repair relations with N. Korea. They are more important than Britain. They have Kim Chi.

Of course let us not forget that paragon of courage, Spain. Remember they started hating America when that train was bombed. Instead of fighting terrorism, they pulled their troops out of the coalition. They are more important than Britain.

California, that great nation that whose economy is tanking faster than the US's must be appeased too. They may stop making insipid movies.

I am surprised the One even let the Brits into the country as they were the main supporters of the wars.

When is he going to invite Osama Bin Laen to spend a night in the WH? He is very important to us. Give the guy a pardon, have a state dinner for him, hell even give him citizenship. That would be par for the course.

AllenS said...

Dow 6,553.26 -322.58 with 20 minutes to go.

Go get 'em Obama!

Michael said...

Daaaaaaarrrrrrryl, how's the trailer renovation coming?

Got a roof yet?

I can see the tin foil supply is still in good shape.

Lari said...

"Well, actually the numbers say things were worse in 1979-1982."

Well we have the advantage of being able to look back at that recession and see where the bottom was. We haven't reached the bottom of this one. Not by a long shot I bet. And Obama is worse than Carter. Much worse.

Not to mention 30 more years of the Gramscian left's long march through the institutions has further eroded the nation's ability to withstand this assault on America from the enemy within.

We are well and truly screwed thanks to the fools who voted for this traitor.

Michael said...

AllenS -

American Soldiers Killed in Iraq = 4,255

Wounded = 31,089

You got 'em right where you want 'em George.

Michael said...

Lari - "And Obama is worse than Carter. Much worse."

Obama's held office for 45 days.

You can't be this dense...well, maybe.

AllenS said...

WTF?

So what are you, some kind of veteran?

Michael said...

Hoosier Daddy said..."Michael, you questioning my credibility is the highlight of my day. I'm still quivering from laughter."

You have no credibility.

Lots of whining and bitching, but no credibility.

Little baby...

JAL said...

daryl He chooses fairness over prosperity

"fairness"

In quotes, please.

Lari said...
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Lari said...

"Obama's held office for 45 days."

That's the point asshole. He's done a head-spinning amount of damage in a record short span of time. It's like a surreal horror show, and the only one who is dense here is you with your moronic high fiving "we won!!" mentality.

You're too stupid to see YOU are fucked too, which may be the only silver lining to this nightmare.

dualdiagnosis said...

Obama is in danger of spinning out of control here, the amount of misteps is multiplying exponentially. His reliable supporters are waking up from their self induced stupor.
Today in Politico they bring up the teleprompter. He has relied on the teleprompter now for almost 2 years and now there comes a focus?

His momentum is building, and heading for that cliff over there.

Joe said...

American soldiers killed in American Revolutionary war - 4,435

French soldiers killed in American Revolutionary war - ~10,000 (most at sea.)

Freedom isn't free. Many countries have sacrificed their men and women for the freedom of others. Democracy is a very flawed system of government, but has consistently given its citizens the most freedom and the most peace. The sacrifice of the few has given hope and life to the many.

We may debate whether giving freedom and democracy to a country once run by a dictator and surrounded by despots was worth it, but don't trivialize for cheap political points the sacrifice of those soldiers who gave the Iraqis that choice--who gave Iraqis the hope of freedom and democracy that you experience every day (and which we are all using now--we are able to write the things we do here without fear of imprisonment and execution. That is amazing, but according to many critics, other cultures and people apparently are unworthy of such a thing.)

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BJM said...

commenter @9:14 I mean how many moms went to work just to put that money in the bank so all these kids would have the money to be educated and have wonderful careers. Won't the kids return the favor?

Are you really that obtuse? We're caring for a disabled elderly parent to the tune of $6k a month that a reverse mortgage, insurance and Medicare don't/can't cover.

How many of us can handle such expenses for years on end while our own health and income declines?

Now there's talk of cutting or taxing medical and Medicare benefits.

There is a huge generational crisis looming and all the fucking WH can think about is raising taxes on those who can still assist their parents.

Many tens of millions of us are the latest sandwich generation, caught between elderly parents and children who are not yet established and we're getting mad as hell.

john said...

Lets be of better cheer here, folks. What is the one thing that all of us, even Michael, AA, Garage, DTL, have in common:

We know exactly how many days Obama has been in office.

(Hat tip to Michael for keeping up on that stat.)

Shanna said...

His use of the teleprompter makes work tricky for the television crews and photographers trying to capture an image of the president announcing a new Cabinet secretary or housing plan without a pane of glass blocking his face.

Heh. Poor media, it's really hard to make the president look like he can speak on his own. That article makes Obama look pretty pathetic.

Freedom isn't free.

Freedom costs a buck oh five!

Michael said...

John - If you read newspapers or books I wouldn't have to provide updates.

Spending your day watching Fox News isn't enough.

*As for Obama's tenure, it's apparent most here think the man has been President for quite some time. Of course you and most of the others here also supported Bush until the day he slinked out of the White House.

Michael said...

Joe - "Freedom isn't free."

Be sure to send that along to the families of the fallen and wounded.

And be sure to explain why being in Iraq keeps us "free."

After all we've seen over the past 6 years and we still have yahoos like Joe telling us how important the invasion and occupation of Iraq is.

DUH.

Michael said...

Lari - "He's done a head-spinning amount of damage in a record short span of time."

Describe this massive "damage" Obama's administration is responsible for.

And don't leave out what he was confronted with from day one.

You really need to read more and talk less.

Michael said...

dualdiagnosis said..."Today in Politico they bring up the teleprompter."

And God knows, if Politico says it...it must be true and relevant.

What?

Fox News out at your house?

People wanna know...

Beth said...

He's done a head-spinning amount of damage in a record short span of time.

Tell it, sister! The economy was so great 46 days ago, and now, wham, we're fucked!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I want the dueling Michaels back again. We need some comedy relief.

john said...

Freedom costs a buck oh five!

I heard on BBC Radio News this afternoon the announcement that the British government is lowering its prime interest rate to "not point five". Then the newsman proceded on to other news, leaving me wondering why they weren't going to tell.

I read books plenty.

Beth said...

Trooper, come visit your friends in New Orleans, and you can gamble at Harrah's on Canal Street. No Indian Nation involved.

Trooper York said...

I wish I could. Just too busy. We didn't even make it out to Vegas for the Magic show this year. We were going to combine that with a trip to NOLA for Madi Gra but it just didn't work out.

Beth said...

Well, despite Mother Nature's best attempts, we're not going anywhere, Trooper. You'll make it sometime. I hope y'all get a break soon, but I know what you mean about being busy these days.

PatCA said...

Hey, don't mock the DVDs! I'm sure The One shelled out 50, 75 bucks for them!

If they aren't the universal type of DVD, Brown will have to exchange them at Amazon. But they're real good about exchanges, so what's the big deal?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I'd love to date Michael, but I'm afraid to ask.

I love Michel.

Freeman Hunt said...

Why didn't he just give them some Amazon gift cards? Amazon.co.uk, you know.

Freeman Hunt said...

I love that he gave Brown AFI's Top 25. Why go for the top 50 or the top 100? That's fiscal responsibility for you.

john said...

PatCA - dont forget the great gift the First Lady got for the Brown kids:

MARINE ONE PLAYSET $15.00, Item 4017, White House Gift Shop.

Has a little car in the box, too.

Seven Machos said...
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Dust Bunny Queen said...

I agree - John sucks.

Freeman Hunt said...

So now someone is using the monikers of Seven Machos and DBQ to confuse people... Great.

No more people posting as other people. Aside from being rude, it's confusing.

Revenant said...

Tell it, sister! The economy was so great 46 days ago, and now, wham, we're fucked!

The economy was in bad shape 46 days ago. We were going into a nasty recession no matter what.

However, Obama's decision to add a couple trillion dollars in debt just makes the situation worse. His decision to sharply raise taxes during a recession is worse yet; pretty much all economists agree that's a really stupid idea.

He wants to go on a spending spree and can't accept that the country -- if it ever COULD afford his preferred level of socialism -- can't afford it right now. So he's damned well going on a spending spree anyway, and if that cripples the economy for a generation then tough cookies for us.

john said...

Very rude, Seven/JSF/DBQ. I think of myself as a nice person, actually, and kind to animals.

BTW, what's an animal porker?

Freeman Hunt said...

John, that wasn't really them.

john said...

Yes, it was them. We just don't know who them are.

Freeman Hunt said...

Yes, it was them. We just don't know who them are.

Heh. Good point.

Joe said...

Michael,

Over 10,000 Frenchmen died helping to make us Americans free. Americans have died making Iraqis free. How hard is that to understand? Is your position that Iraqis deserve no freedom? Do you believe there is no value in Iraqi democracy?

Is the Democratic Party stance that no emerging democracy or possible democracy deserves any American sacrifice? (It's a stance of hard line right wingers like Buchanan; are you on his side now?)

However, in answer to your direct question; having a more peaceful middle east will affect our freedoms here. Even if I concede that the Iraqi war was conducted poorly, why do you (and many of your ilk) refuse to concede that it is a net positive? Right now there are only two real democracies in the Middle East (perhaps three if you count Lebanon). How is that anything but a good thing?

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