November 19, 2009

"I hope to be up half the night trying to write a post on the great mystery of the stories about Trig, stories that have bedeviled the blogosphere and many others for months."

The main person these "stories" have "bedeviled" is Andrew Sullivan.
There is no proof here of anything, but there is a much more nuanced and detailed narrative of the events (especially now we have Palin's first considered version of the events since the campaign) that when taken together has definitely helped illuminate what was once obscure and, well, bizarre. Believe it or not, it makes a little more sense now.
Andrew, read what you've written. Step back and read it with the eyes of someone who has never heard of you. You sound like a raving conspiracy theorist. Like this guy (from the movie "Slacker"):



In the comments on my post yesterday about Sullivan's decision to go silent to "grapple with this new data" that's "so complicated" he "simply [couldn't] focus, here's chuck b.:
He says the same thing about her all the time. Unhinged grip on reality, deeply disturbed, fantastic story about her fifth pregnancy... yes, yes. Will there be anything new?

I continue to visit his blog (judge me as you will), and it's becoming sad, but I notice a few things...

For example, reality is a particularly big concept for him. Objective reality, reality checks, version of reality, actual reality, current reality. You can find all reality cliches all over the place. I just checked, the word appears 10 times on just the first page of his blog.
Come back, Andrew. Back to the reality that calls you.

101 comments:

lucid said...

Andrew is showing real signs of mental illness with this (and I don't mean this comment polemically). He is obsessesd, delusional, and now isolative. Various diagnoses are possible, but there is something going very wrong.

Florida said...

He's a dope head with AIDS and dementia.

Please leave Andrew alone.

Would you punch a retarded person, Ann? I think you would not. And yet, you persist in bringing attention and ridicule to Andrew Sullivan's mental health problems.

Shame on you, Ann.

El Presidente said...

Kennedy Bilderburg told me he wished he wasn't busy this morning.

MadisonMan said...

I'm falling for your transparent scheme to generate page hits. But I won't go over there.

If Sullivan were a politician, I could understand this need to belittle him (deservedly). But I think you assign to him more importance than he merits. Has he written anything of consequence in the past 5+ years? Why reward coasting?

jag said...

While the blogosphere has been the perfect medium for some writers and thinkers, it has been the ruin of Sullivan. He has exhausted his talent and runs now on fumes. Sad.

Florida said...

"Various diagnoses are possible, but there is something going very wrong."

One too many cocks up his keister dislodged the last critical brain cell.

That's the current consensus.

Pogo said...

Sullivan's endless fascination with Palin's genitals, which both attract and repel him, and his obscure mission regarding Trig, suggest that he has become Captain Ahab aboard the Daily Dish Pequod.

Who says chronic pot-smoking isn't hazardous to your health?

"The White Whale swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung.
...All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby-Dick. He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.
"

jayne_cobb said...

"...the Dish's own Patrick Appel has weighed in independently on the whole, bizarre pregnancy/labor story, which has mystified me from Day One."


That has to be my favorite line from his post.

EDH said...

To repeat my earlier comment in response to Althouse's question: "This is pure speculation, but I wonder if Palin has threatened to sue Sullivan for defamation?"

Shouldn't Trig Palin, not Sarah, sue Andrew Sullivan for defamation?

Trig is not a public figure.

The scope of Sullivan's discovery is likely to be much more limited.

Sullivan's claims of illegitimacy have damaged the reputation of this vulnerable child in the community.

If not defamation, couldn't Palin sue in a "false light" jurisdiction?

chickenlittle said...

I'm falling for your transparent scheme to generate page hits

Agree. Starve the beast.

vbspurs said...

I continue to hold out hope that this man rights his sinking mental ship, but every day, as his obsessions mounts in intensity, it becomes difficult to find one iota of sympathy for him.

Like many people, I've met Holocaust deniers and "we didn't go to the moon"-type sceptics. Usually these are anti-Establishment types, who doubt everything coming from those opposing their particular world view.

In the case of Sarah Palin and Andrew Sullivan (and other rabid anti-Palinists), I think it's a question of wanting to prevent her from becoming the Establishment, to prevent her power to further her brand of conservatism on the nation.

The first variety of conspiracist, therefore, is post-facto, whereas in Sullivan's case it's pre-emptive.

Conspiracists of any variety are a sad, vain lot who think they know better, who give themselves airs that THEY at least, won't have the wool pulled over their eyes unlike the sheeple of the world.

Personally, as a Brit, he embarrasses me.

Cheers,
Victoria

traditionalguy said...

Sullivan has become a classic psychotic, apparently driven from reality by the force of Sarah Palin's personality that not only bears children but actually loves them. I suspect that his psychosis is a defense mechanism against actually loving her by insisting that she is not real. May God have mercy on the lost boy Andrew.

vbspurs said...

I'm tired of the uncensored, disgusting homophobic remarks by trolls in this blog. I'm sorry, I've had enough, Ann. Please do something about these posters, lest we all be tagged as homophobes by extension simply because you believe in "free speech".

And you the mother of a gay man, too.

Cheers,
Victoria

Michael Hasenstab said...

I don't understand the giddy fascination with Sullivan's perverse Sarah Palin obsession.

It is it really worth blogging about? Or rather, would Sullivan's obsession be blog-worthy if it were about a woman other than Sarah Palin?

If Sullivan were obsessed with the "fact" that Chelsea Clinton's face looks more like Web Hubble's than Bill Clinton's, and wrote seemingly every other column about it, would he still be interesting?

Probably not.

Slate can deal with Sullivan's irrationality, his illness, his self-gratifying fantasies about Sarah Palin's uterus, if it wants.

But the rest of us should be able to see that it's nothing more than a pervert's Munchausen By Proxy aimed snarkily and sniggeringly at a conservative woman, just because she is, and that so-called feminists tacitly tolerate and encourage it.

vbspurs said...

Trig is 1 year old. Whilst I'm sure he can find himself a good lawyer, I think he'll have trouble articulating his incensed outrage at Sullivan on the witness stand.

/rolling of eyes

Florida said...

"Starve the beast."

Ann Althouse is an internet newb. She doesn't realize that one can criticize Andrew Sullivan without actually linking to his moronic ravings.

Linking to Andrew helps get his words to a larger audience, Ann.

Stop. Linking. Andrew.

The good news is that he has AIDS and the US Immigration service is obliged to deport him back to his own country so he can't infect any more of us with his putrid disease, the symptoms of which are manifested in his mad ravings about a distant woman's uterus.

Ann Althouse said...

"I'm falling for your transparent scheme to generate page hits. But I won't go over there."

You mean his scheme?

If I were using this post for page views, I'd have a Google-friendly title like "Andrew Sullivan is crazy to think Sarah Palin is crazy."

WV: Quive. Andrew Sullivan needs to stop quiving Sarah Palin.

Florida said...

"It is it really worth blogging about?"

Andrew Sullivan is a member of Journo-list - a group of prominent journalists who meet secretly and decide how they're going to attack any electable Republicans using their positions in the mainstream media.

He's just doing what he's paid to do by the Atlantic. It makes perfect sense to him since it's his job to do this.

He's not an uninterested observer. He's paid to attack Sarah Palin and to do nothing else. Any other posts are incidental to his job.

Florida said...

Ann Althouse wrote: "If I were using this post for page views, I'd have a Google-friendly title like "Andrew Sullivan is crazy to think Sarah Palin is crazy."

Ann, the theory is that you're purposely generating publicity for Andrew - to increase Andrew's page hits.

Which appears to be a correct analysis, since you're not required to link to these crazed ravings. Doing so only increases his Google presence and generates advertising revenue for The Atlantic and ensures Sullivan's employment.

You seem to want to keep him employed. Otherwise, you wouldn't encourage people to leave your own website and send them to his web page with a link.

edutcher said...

Flo, you wrote 4 or 5 comments without any four letter words. And they were a lot more effective that way. Good for you.

No, I'm not being patronizing. You have something to say, but you blow it when you lose your temper.

I might add this applies to the lefties, as well. Reason beats emotion every time.

vbspurs said...

I'm tired of the uncensored, disgusting homophobic remarks by trolls in this blog. I'm sorry, I've had enough, Ann. Please do something about these posters, lest we all be tagged as homophobes by extension simply because you believe in "free speech".

Free speech is one of those things that makes this country exceptional. Going PC must be a temptation for Ann, especially when she gets comments that attack her personally.

The whole purpose of PC and "hate speech" laws appears to be the suppression of anything that can be ruled by the powers to be offensive - much of which turns out to be in opposition to the agenda of the PC crowd. Ann deserves a lot of credit for not going that route.

Henry said...

I'm not going to go waste my time reading the man, so someone tell me what you think of this theory:

When Sullivan writes "it makes a little more sense now" it sounds to me like he's creating cover for a retreat. To crawl out of the cesspool smelling like an orchid -- that is his new mission.

Beth said...

Florida, I join Victoria on this one. You're a vile ass.

EDH said...

vbspurs said...
"Trig is 1 year old. Whilst I'm sure he can find himself a good lawyer, I think he'll have trouble articulating his incensed outrage at Sullivan on the witness stand.

/rolling of eyes"

In defamation, you don't need to show personal outrage. It's reputation in the community. Or, alternatively, false light. In fact, Trig's inability to speak is an advantage.

Guardian or Next Friend
The individual in whose name a minor's lawsuit is brought, or who appears in court to represent such minor's interest. The French term prochein ami has been used to designate such an individual, but the term Guardian Ad Litem is more commonly used.

At Common Law, when an individual was unable to look after his or her own interests or manage his or her lawsuit, the court would appoint a person to represent that individual's legal interests. In court terminology this person was called a next friend, which is derived from the French term prochein ami. Individuals requiring a next friend included minors, persons who were mentally ill or mentally retarded, infirm or senile persons, and others whose disabilities prevented them from managing their affairs.

Minzo said...

Even though Im vehemently anti-Palin and considers her as little more than a charming clown, I think Sullivan has really gone overboard. There are plenty of other bloggers who are tackling the same issues with a lot more clarity and nuance. He should step back and chill out because he is giving the anti-Palin brigade a bad name and hes making a fool of himself. A pity because the Palin stuff aside, I tend to find his blog quite interesting. Im sure im in a very tiny minority here on that point.
I must also note the fact that some posters here are responding to Sullivan's abusive language here by...being even more abusive themselves. Florida's posts for example are absolutely pathetic.

vbspurs said...

Can you imagine the liberal generated outrage if Palin sued on behalf of Trig? She's already been accused of trotting out her kids to bolster her image. I can barely fathom what the media would say if she "used" Trig to sue Sullivan. You know that's how they would spin it.

No, Palin. Step away from the crazies. Don't give them even an intimation that you read their blogs.

Did you notice how almost sexually aroused Sullivan became when he wrote that Palin read his blog? Creep-y.

Shanna said...

I think Sullivan is fascinating to some of us, because back in the early days, his was a blog, like instapundit, that I checked every day. And then it slowly went off the deep end and now look at the insanity that pours forth from his mouth!

I know I have probably said this in every related thread, but odds wise it is pretty darn likely that a forty something woman would have a down syndrome baby, versus a 17 year old. Andrew has decided to buck science, and buck common sense, to come up with a thoroughly insane, untrue conspiracy theory about, of all things, the birth of a woman’s child. It is a trainwreck and every time he posts again I just can’t believe it. WTF!

But please, for the love of god, stop relating this to his being gay or having AIDS because it just makes you look just as insane. He is obsessed with a woman and focuses on her baby and your are obsessed with his sexual life. Both are absurd.

Jon said...

Florida is a moby.

EDH said...

Indeed, there are downsides to every lawsuit, but fewer if Trig were the plaitiff.

If Trig were to sue, I'd pick Todd, his father, as Guardian and Next Friend, not Sarah, for the same negatives vbspurs cites.

chickenlittle said...

To clarify, by "starve the beast", I just meant to concur with Madison Man. We can choose not to click over there, especially on a link to an anti-Palin post. Doing so just enables and encourages his bad habit.

Titus said...

I find it kind of hilarious.

He sounds like a drama queen.

So serious about his quest for the truth.

I am sorry but reading him the past couple of days is quite entertaining.

The Crack Emcee said...

Andrew's a NewAger - don't make me go to video (go to my sight and click his tag) - the guy's a fruitcake, and, like voting for Obama, you ought to be ashamed for taking him seriously as a thinker.

Fat Steve said...

Are you sure this isn't just a satire on the moronic conspiracy theories surrounding Obama?

Big Mike said...

I stopped reading Andrew about three or four years ago, in large part because his writing had clearly degenerated and he seemed to be losing the ability to connect the dots. From what I see second-hand here on the Althouse postings, he's gotten worse and not better. Nowadays I go to Gay Patriot instead.

Does Andrew Sullivan have AIDS Dementia Complex? He might. It does impact a significant fraction of the people who get full-blown AIDS. Wikipedia has an excellent, readable description of the condition. Google will find you others, but they're mostly written in medical terminology and heavy going even for me -- and I've designed and implemented computer systems to support health informatics.

It must be really tough for a person whose partner has contracted ADC, and I extend my sympathies. But a person whose mind is going, whether to ADC or some other brain disorder, is not one I'd turn to for insight.

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Titus said...

The Rare Clumbers haven't gone to their stylist in a couple of months.

As a result they are quite hairy.

When they pinch a loaf there is quite a bit of white hair attached to the pebbles.

Thank you.

garage mahal said...

The first variety of conspiracist, therefore, is post-facto, whereas in Sullivan's case it's pre-emptive

Palin has weird conspiracies of her own, like the God being taken of the coins, death panels, and what you think if someone, say Obama, had an exorcism from a black witch doctor like Palin received?

MadisonMan said...

What Shanna said. Especially the last paragraph.

It's clear he's unhinged. Do we really have to know why? Wild speculations as about cause sound very much like wild speculations about a child's true birth mother.

Titus said...

Palin is perfect Mahal and you are a commie for even bringing that subject up.

Commie Mahal.

When I picked up the rare clumbers loafs today they were particularly smelly. Normally, I hold my breath but for some reason today I wanted to smell them.

mrs whatsit said...

I join the others who think it's long past time to stop pointing and laughing at Andrew Sullivan and thereby calling attention and page hits to his ravings. He's gone so far past rationality that it's not a fair fight any more. He's a crazy person and despicable besides -- not a worthy opponent. But here we have yet another post about how nuts he is, with yet another string of sometimes-homophobic comments. It makes me think of a mob chasing the village idiot through the streets, throwing stones and laughing. You don't have to admire the village idiot to wonder why the mob is having so much fun.

Further, I agree with Victoria about the homophobia that shows up in so many of the comment threads here. It's ugly and unnecessary and it keeps more rational commenters away -- and as Ann knows even if some of her commenters don't, Constitutional freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

c3 said...

I think Sullivan is fascinating to some of us, because back in the early days, his was a blog, like instapundit, that I checked every day. And then it slowly went off the deep end and now look at the insanity that pours forth from his mouth!

We now know that professional football (American) players are more likely over time to suffer dementia, likely due to the repeated blows that are a part of their everyday lives. Maybe the same phenomenon is true for bloggers. I mean it can get pretty rough here.

Ann Althouse, be careful (or at least wear a well-padded helmet!)

caplight said...

I once heard a PR crisis consultant say that he advises his clients not to disable the "smoke detectors" in their lives. He was talking about Michael Jackson at the time. The idea being that when people become celebrities they often stop listening to people who can give them reality checks (the house is on fire) and believe their sycophants. Is there no one in Andrew Sullivan's life who can talk to him and tell him he's over the edge? If not friends how about fellow professionals? He's ruined his brand completely. Left to the dust bin of media history that is to say next he'll have a show on MSNBC.

miller said...

My only observation is this: I do not know the "why" of A.S's crazies; I only know the "what": he comes across as crazy.

And hence, not worth listening to.

But you go on ahead and keep talking about why he isn't worth listening to. Ponder the why's. I don't think there's any reason to think there's a "why" behind the "what."

Triangle Man said...

"If I were using this post for page views, I'd have a Google-friendly title like "Andrew Sullivan is crazy to think Sarah Palin is crazy."

If I may:

"Crazy Andrew Sullivan thinks dumb Sarah Palin is crazy".

traditionalguy said...

Garage...Thankss for finding that u-tube clip that I remembered seeing as a camapign attack against Palin last year. You must not have watched it yourself. The Pastor from Kenya was a Christian evangelist. His earnest prayer to God for her career has been answered by God in Palin's life. The prayer at the end was a christian prayer for protection from the power of Black Witch Doctors. There was no exorcism shown on the tape. Why are you trying to confuse this everday Christianity stuff so hard?

rcocean said...

Keep hitting Sullivan. He's a big dog in the Blogo-sphere and needs to be taken on.

And people would love Palin if she sued Sullivan over this. People think -not Sullivan - that kids off limits. Even in politics.

Triangle Man said...

By the way Althouse, brilliantly done! Google now returns this thread as number one for "Andrew Sullivan is crazy", just by including it in comments.

Scott said...

Would all of you "parlour psychiatrists" PLEASE state your academic and/or professional credentials in your posts. If you're not personally QUALIFIED to make a diagnosis of AIDS-related dementia, then you're just a troll making homophobic comments, and you should kindly STFU.

Andrew Sullivan's stupidity can stand on its own. Feigned attempt to buttress your observations by speculating on his health, homosexuality, or marijuana use are unnecessary and are merely ad hominem attacks that reduce you to the gutter rhetoric that Sullivan is using to engage Sarah Palin.

Titus said...

I think I would blow Crack Emcee.

Just sayin.

elHombre said...

This from Sullivan: ...various 33 and counting verified lies ....

33? This left/liberal hack makes a living vilifying Palin and he's "verified" only "33 lies"?

Can you imagine what he could do with Obama if he played it straight (no pun intended) and sought to "verify" lies from politicians in general? My lord, Obama lies 33 times a day!

kent said...

Andrew Sullivan is to sane, rational thought what Bazooka Joe is to the Western canon of literature.

William said...

A somnolent nation is grateful to Andrew Sullivan for his hard hitting investigation of Sarah Palin's amniotic sac. Still he doesn't see the forest for the trees. Think of Jeremy's deep skepticism about Todd's outlandlish duct tape claims. There are dots to be connected here. They are different strands in the same web of deceit.

miller said...

I am not presuming a cause for his craziness. I am just noting that he comes across as crazy.

You can attempt to infer the reasons. I really don't care.

Henry said...

Thanks, Scott.

LoafingOaf said...

Andrew Sullivan is the lead blogger on all things Sarah Palin. It's a dirty job but someone had to do it. (And his compilation of Palin's many lies is quite useful -- people should thank him for going to the trouble.)

Is he obsessed? Of course. And this is a big week for him. Palin's got a book out, Palin's doing media interviews all over, and Andrew found out that Palin reads his blog every day! (He can now say she's obsessed with him, too!!)

His obsession goes a little overboard, but he's also had a lot of success with it. Not just in bringing eyeballs to his site, but also in having a real world impact on Sarah Palin's political career and how people think about her. That's one of the reasons Palin fans calls him a deranged lunatic. He has drawn some blood.

And if any blogger manages to unearth something that takes her comletely down once and for all, it most likely will be Andrew. And I know he dreams of that moment which will probably never come. And so what?

In my judgment, his blog has brought people closer to the truth about Sarah Palin whereas most of the blogs calling him a nutcase have also tried to advance a phoney image of Palin. So which are the bloggers who should really check themselves?

The fact is, Andrew is entirely correct to worry about a Republican Party that thought Sarah Palin was fit for the Presidency. He might be a little nutty but he's just a blogger. Sarah Palin is hella nutty and she wanted to be a heartbeat away from the presidency to potentially become the most powerful person on earth.

Jon said...

@El Hombre

Here is an example from Sullivan's supposed list of Palin lies:

*******************************
The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin XV: Her Israeli Flag

Here's Palin doing her usual make-it-up routine with Shimon Peres:

"I wanted to meet you for many years," Ms. Palin told Mr. Peres, according to an aide to the president. "The only flag at my office is an Israeli flag," she was quoted as saying, "and I want you to know and I want Israelis to know that I am a friend."

Er: there are several flags in recent photographs of her office, including the American and Alaskan flags, as one would expect. She meant the only foreign flag, presumably.
*********************************

So although even Sullivan can discern that she "presumably" meant foreign flag ... he still calls it a "lie" anyway.

JAL said...

Any day now The Atlantic is going to announce that Sullivan has taken leave to spend more time with his family.

vbspurs said...

Andrew Sullivan is crazy.

(TYIA, Google)

MadisonMan said...

I think a better traffic-generating title would be "Andrew Sullivan takes a close look at Sarah Palin's breasts". Then an hour later you can correct the misspelling of boasts.

Theo Boehm said...

Madison Man wins the thread.

Shanna said...

That's one of the reasons Palin fans calls him a deranged lunatic. He has drawn some blood.

Maybe also because he invents plots for her life too outlandish for Days of Our Lives?

Pogo said...

It's a cruel swipe at people suffering from dementia (of whatever sort) to blame Sullivan's behavior on what is after all a blameless condition.
Because surely he deserves blame.

And it's a loathsome swipe at gays to suggest that Sullivan's writings relate to AIDS; mockery of the ill is abhorrent.

Sullivan offers numerable beliefs deserving of ridicule without descending to the odious.

Scott said...

"Sarah Palin is hella nutty and she wanted to be a heartbeat away from the presidency to potentially become the most powerful person on earth."

Two words: Joe Biden

He's a heartbeat away from the presidency. And if the phrase "President Biden" doesn't scare the snot out of you, then you truly are a partisan.

Big Mike said...

@Scott, I don't think it's "speculating" that Andrew Sullivan is homosexual. He is also openly HIV positive, and rather famously proclaimed "the end of AIDS" for well to do white men like himself.

Your attempt to silence people you don't agree with using fraudulent charges of homophobia is of a piece with those who would try to silence criticism of President Obama through spurious charges of racism, not to mention trying to silence criticism of notable women with bogus charges of sexism.

And it won't work anymore. "Hate speech" is going to join the swastika and hammer and sickle in the trash can of history. Count on it.

Big Mike said...

Oh, crap. I just got done criticizing you, Scott, and before my comment is posted you say something that I agree with 100%.

Make up your mind. Are you someone who uses his head or are you a mindless thug who seeks to silence dissent with bogus charges of homophobia?

Scott said...

"Your attempt to silence people you don't agree with..."

Oh, please girl. Nobody can silence you. You'll be yammering your bigoted remarks at anyone you can point your face at for the rest of your life, no doubt. Go marginalize yourself.

(Captcha phrase: allors) !

Michael said...

Titus:

Further to our exchange regarding Clumbers. my shooting was done for driven pheasants in merry old England over two beautiful animals who started the day a bit damp as well as the usual lethargic. Whilst you would like to shoot the bitches as they fly I would prefer if they screamed and fire shot out their assholes when recipient of my aim. Ditto Andrew Sullivan.

Big Mike said...

Oh, crap. Now I'm even disagreeing with Pogo. Considering that I'm at home fighting a stomach bug this is not my day.

Sorry, Pogo, but I disagree from two different perspectives. The first is that everybody should engage in safe sex so Andrew certainly is to blame for becoming HIV positive. (Your cryptic final sentence at the end of your first paragraph suggests that perhaps you agree.)

Secondly, if Andrew has ADC (which in fairness to Scott, is speculative), then (1) this certainly explains what we've seen in his writing and there is nothing else obvious that does, and (2) I feel no differently about it than I would feel about those who sustain brain injuries from athletes who specialize in heading soccer balls or spearing opponents with their helmet on a football field or boxing.

In fact, if you told me that someone had suffered a stroke and their writing was no longer as insightful as previously, plus they were caught up in strange obsessions, I would feel about the same as I feel towards Sullivan -- sorry for him, but no longer interested in what they have to write.

Is Sully known to have suffered a stroke? Was he in a motorcycle accident without a helmet? Is there anything other than ADC that offers explanatory power.

Big Mike said...

@Scott, well, you're right about my being tough to silence.

Where you're wrong is which one of us is the bigot.

Scott said...

Look, everybody who knows Sullivan knows that he is a homosexual pothead Brit with AIDS. This is what he IS.

If you try to score points about what he SAYS or what he DOES, then that's fair game. But if you try to buttress your arguments by attacking what he IS, then the attack is by definition ad hominem and reflects a bigoted viewpoint.

Leave Alinskyist rhetoric to the leftists

Florida said...

"Andrew Sullivan's stupidity can stand on its own. Feigned attempts to buttress your observations by speculating on his health, homosexuality, or marijuana use are unnecessary and are merely ad hominem [sic] attacks that reduce you to the gutter rhetoric that Sullivan is using to engage Sarah Palin."

Sauce ... for the goose.

The fact of the matter is that Andrew Sullivan is a pervert who contracted a deadly sexual disease and is now spreading it to others in our country when he doesn't belong here.

He belongs back in his own country, and our immigration service is required by law to send him there since he continually violates our drug laws and is diseased.

Deport Andrew Sullivan.

kathleen said...

so now it's homophobic to point out the obvious heterophobia of a gay person. Isn't that admitting that heterophobia is an essential ingredient of homosexuality? and wouldn't THAT be homophobic?

m00se said...

Andrew responds (sorta):

"Does examining her make me look obsessed? Does not examining her make me look cool? Who gives a fuck? She's a great story, a truly bizarre creature, an international woman of mystery, and completely off her rocker."

Wow.

rcocean said...

The scene from "Slacker" isn't well done. I'm not sure why. Is it the mediocre male actor? That it drags on too long? Lacks pace and energy?

Definitely could be funnier.

LoafingOaf said...

He's a heartbeat away from the presidency. And if the phrase "President Biden" doesn't scare the snot out of you, then you truly are a partisan.

Hmm. You're scared to death of a moderate, mainstream Democrat like Biden being in the Oval Office? Why? Biden's been involved in national politics forever and has a lot of foreign policy experience. He's run for president multiple times and is completely vetted. I wouldn't lose sleep at night worrying that he'd do something completely wacko, or that he has no idea what he's doing at all.

He does say a lot of unintentionally funny things, but that doesn't scare me. It makes me like him more.

I'm not a Democrat and Biden's more liberal than I am. But you claim it's obvious why anybody who's not a partisan Democrat would be frightened to death over President Biden. Is there something I'm missing, or do you just get frightened out of your mind whenever someone more liberal than yourself is in the White House?

Sarah Palin's more conservative than I am, but that's not why I'd be scared to death of her as president. But I have nothing to worry about anymore, as Sarah Palin will now never be president, thank the Lord.

Robert said...

I think Andrew Sullivan is at the "Paul is dead", Abbey Road point now. Can this really be the same man whose blog I read every day? Perhaps the real Andrew "blew his mind out in a car".

Shanna said...

If you try to score points about what he SAYS or what he DOES, then that's fair game. But if you try to buttress your arguments by attacking what he IS, then the attack is by definition ad hominem and reflects a bigoted viewpoint.

Yes. And furthermore, what he SAYS and DOES is so f’ing crazy, what possible need is there to resort to ad hominem attacks? That is a tactic of those who cannot win a real argument and in this case that is so, so unnecessary. One can only guess that some people just enjoy reverting to some 3rd grade playground insult place.

Big Mike said...

Who's trying to score points? Andrew Sullivan seems increasingly detached from reality. There is a likely explanation. WTP?

Beth said...

The fact of the matter is that Andrew Sullivan is a pervert

What makes him a pervert? I don't know enough about his particular sexual practices to label him a "pervert."

I do know enough, from your comments, Florida, to label you a vile ass.

Shanna said...

I do know enough, from your comments, Florida, to label you a vile ass.

Co-sign.

Matt Eckert said...

If he really is a vile ass, than Randy Andy should give him a call.

Roger J. said...

when I think of Mr. Sullivan, I think only of his self advertised strong glutes. Presumably strong glutes are good things to have.

Beaverdam said...

Give em hell Florida.

Matt Eckert said...

Much better than a vile ass.

But an ass leaking milky loads is sort of vile in its own way.

Unless you like that sort of thing.

Beaverdam said...

I'd bet Florida has a great rack. Kind like that Althouse chick, only perkier>

Nomilk said...

What makes him a pervert? I don't know enough about his particular sexual practices to label him a "pervert."


His public solicitations of anonymous, unprotected sodomy are common knowledge. If you don't know enough, why comment?

Beth said...

Nomilk, that may be irresponsible, but what makes it perverted?

Nomilk said...

but what makes it perverted?


Ask and you shall receive.

Beth said...

That's nothing unusual, nomilk. It's just sex. You persistently resist defining perversion. I suspect that's because you mean that gay sex is perverted sex.

LoafingOaf said...

Pogo said...
And it's a loathsome swipe at gays to suggest that Sullivan's writings relate to AIDS; mockery of the ill is abhorrent.

Sullivan offers numerable beliefs deserving of ridicule without descending to the odious.

They do it routinely in these comment sections. Even after they scandalized this blog when Sullivan shined a spotlight into the comment sections one day.

But what do you expect? It is encouraged by the leading right-wing bloggers. As one small example from today, Insta-pundit linked to an item about Sullivan that he called an "unforgettable classic" and it includes this:

----
"Inspector Loads, do you use marijuana frequently?"

"Depends. Is five or six times a day frequent?"

"Are you on any HIV medications that might cause delusions or hallucinations?"

"Who isn't? Why do you ask?"
----

Instapundit has never been interested in getting to the truth about Sarah Palin. He's always just promoted the hype about her. And he quietly encourages his readers to run with the "Sullivan is crazy because of his HIV" theory. Other right-wing blogs more overtly promote that theory about Andrew Sullivan.

Shanna said...

And he quietly encourages his readers to run with the "Sullivan is crazy because of his HIV" theory

I've never seen instapundit mention Sullivan having HIV. Care to provide a link?

Nomilk said...

That's nothing unusual . . . It's just sex.



Wow, you must be some date.

Beth said...

Sorry, nomilk, I'm out of the dating pool, in a 15-year relationship. But I'm not prone to calling people perverted just because they have sex with other consenting adults.

Why do you find gay male sex so fascinating?

And once again, you've declined to actually define "pervert."

Republican said...

Sullivan jumped the shark several years ago. His illness and the medications prescribed to treat his condition(s) are probably responsible for his bizarre obsession and inability to be rational.

He is bitter because he is dying. He isn't coping. He obviously resents Palin because she represents the life he can't have.

I have some compassion for Sullivan, so count me on a side who believes it's most considerate to allow him to go out quietly without notice.

Republican said...

The homophobic comments don't cause me to avoid Althouse at all. You take the bad with the good.

The freaks only puke it up for shock value-to draw a reaction. Cock? Gay? Anus? Gasp! How shocking!

Am I shocked? Offended? No. The words have lost their power to offend, which is probably why word-vomiters become increasingly obnoxious. Cocks become dicks, breasts become tits, etc--a never/ending attempt to score points in the fame-game.

Such whores!

Pogo said...

In high school, our cross country team called itself the "thin-clad perverts", or "thinverts" for short.

Had t-shirts made and everything.

When my mom asked me what it meant, I lied and said "Idunno".

There's a funny yearbook photo of 5 of us wearing it. Whatta hoot we were!

Thanks for letting me share my moment of adolescent glory, albeit plebeian and sophomoric.

LoafingOaf said...

I've never seen instapundit mention Sullivan having HIV. Care to provide a link?

He doesn't say it, but he links to people who do. As he did today -- the link he refers to as an "unforgetable classic".

It's a creative piece. But there's stuff in there making fun of Sullivan's sexual orientation For example, an S&M scene where Sullivan hires a male prostitute to torture him Abu Ghraib style for his sexual pleasure. Thus making fun of Sullivan's anti-torture position as well as his sexual orientation -- I guess suggesting that Sullivan has a deranged and sexually fueled obsession about torture as well as about Sarah Palin).

And, this line: "I may have taken more balls to the chin than Minnie Minoso, but we both know I'm still the best goddamn forensic political vaginologist on the entire force."

And the bit that makes fun of his HIV, suggesting HIV drugs made him crazy (see my previous comment).

I'm not saying it's not a funny piece of satire. But it's pretty mean-spirited and it does encourage people to attack Sullivan on his sexuality and HIV status. And that was part of Instapundit's pushback today against Sullivan -- to dig up that old link and encourage people to hit Sullivan on his sexuality and HIV status.

And on his anti-torture position, which also annoys the hell out of the right-wing bloggers mostly because Sullivan is winning that debate just as he's winning the Palin debate.

So, of course they diagnose Andrew Sullivan as being mentally sick and obsessed to an unhealthy degree on the torture issue as with Palin. It seems like any time a blogger makes the right-wingers feel uncomfortable with some of the things and people they are backing, they feel they have to prove that that blogger is just a mentally sick nutcase and they needn't examine themselves.

It couldn't possibly be that people who want the USA to torture, or people who want Sarah Palin to be President of the United States, Commander in Chief, and Leader of the Free World, are the sickos!

Pogo said...

If Google had been around back then I would have told my mom that
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naturalfake said...

Relax with a nice evening on Broadway:

UTERUS!: a Musical by Andrew Sullivan

http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/uterus-a-musical-by-andrew-sullivan/

Matthew said...

Continuing to play 'gotcha' with Andrew Sullivan is sorta like hunting blind, three-legged puppies with a sledgehammer; it's just too easy, and the thrill wears off eventually.

He's just jealous that she looks better in Kenneth Cole pumps than he does.

kentuckyliz said...

Andrew, as a non-breeder, seems to be confused about childbearing.

Only men can be confused about who exactly is their child.

Women know exactly who is their child.

Methinks he failed his biology O levels.

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