December 1, 2010

Mickey Kaus hates the Dream Act.

36 comments:

John Lynch said...

Mickey Kaus? Shocking!

Harry said...

Robert Wright: "I just think you're wrong! I just think you're wrong about that!"

I know liberals like Wright. Nothing that happens in the real world will ever change the views they hold so dearly.

Mickey is very patient. Also, unlike me, he likes Robert Wright.

deborah said...

I heart Mickey and Bob.

Synova said...

What is the Dream Act?

Will the video explain it?

AJ Lynch said...

Securing the borders is about the only conservative position Kaus supports. Yet for some reason, he gets cast as a moderate of some sort.

bagoh20 said...

The idea that an immigration law which has rules means anything to people who come here illegally is a joke. It's like telling me that putting a "Do Not Open" sign on the refrigerator in a frat house will keep the beer safe.

Synova said...

Okay, yes, it explains well enough.

I don't know how much of a stretch of the imagination it really is to comprehend that it's *reasonable* for someone doing risk/opportunity analysis to expect that the risk is worth the future possibility of policy changing.

At what point is "No Hope of This Changing" even in the ball-park of reality?

And does Wright know any marginally legal people or anyone who was born in Mexico and who is working here on a green card? I doubt that any of them move in the circles Wright occupies.

bagoh20 said...

There is no dream act now and they keep a coming and a defaudin'. I'm sure this law will not slow that one bit. Dems know it won't work, it's not supposed too. It's just to get more Dem voters, then rinse and repeat. It's lack of effectiveness is a feature for them.

bagoh20 said...

Dems have a real affinity for failed ideas - past and future.

PETER V. BELLA said...

So do I.

Lance said...

Securing the borders is about the only conservative position Kaus supports.

He was a huge proponent of the '96 welfare reform, and he's consistently opposed Wagner Act unionism.

There are a few smaller issues as well: for example he supports electoral reform in California state, where gerrymandering favors the mostly Democratic incumbents. Not that he wants more Republicans elected, rather I think he wants more moderates.

Harry said...

AJ Lynch said...Securing the borders is about the only conservative position Kaus supports. Yet for some reason, he gets cast as a moderate of some sort.

Kaus also opposes card check, thinks the UAW is killing the car industry, and is critical of the teacher's unions.

I would call him a moderate by today's standards, but there are those who consider him conservative, which is ridiculous. The comedian Adam Carolla noted this phenomenon, because liberals call him a conservative for supporting border control and capital punishment. To a liberal, if you depart from the orthodoxy on one issue, you're no longer in the tribe.

Quaestor said...

Dems have a real affinity for failed ideas - past and future.

Idea: Let's fix this Bourbon monarchy thing by having a revolution. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this class struggle thing by having the proletariat own the means of production. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this Great Depression thing by stimulating aggregate demand. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this Soviet expansion thing by containment. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this Viet Cong thing with advisers. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this poverty thing with a Great Society. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this Iranian hostage thing by acting normally (i.e. weak and silly) FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this energy crisis thing by wearing cardigans and turning off the heat. FAIL

Idea: Carter sees problem X, implements solution Y (insert any of a dozen historical Xs and Ys - result FAIL FAIL FAIL)

Idea: Let's fix this health care thing by secret meetings with the powerful and nationalizing 7% of GDP. FAIL

Idea: Lets' fix this health care thing again by ramming whatever harebrained porkulus bill we can devise (but not read) down the throats of an increasingly hostile electorate. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this near-depression thing by stimulating aggregate demand again, but this time we'll set the deficit to increase exponentially forever while we're at it. FAIL

Idea: Let's fix this illegal immigration thing by giving the illegals an even bigger incentive to break the law (which we won't enforce anyway) DOOMED TO FAIL EVERYONE BUT THE DEMs

Yup. bagoh20 seems to have this one nailed.

wv: supacepl - the laxative you serve for dessert!

The Crack Emcee said...

Bob Wright is a guy who will never be able to get his woman to sell pussy in the snow.

Gabriel Hanna said...

The DREAM act makes me angry, because it's one more case where immigration laws are not applied fairly. Once again, people who played by the rules are the chumps and suckers who have to pay for the people who didn't.

Getting a green card is not free, it costs a lot of time and money. If the DREAM act passes, a person who came to the US illegally will get immigration benefits because of the children they brought here illegally (in some cases) decades ago, since a "child" according to the DREAM act can be in his thirties.

All those people who wait patiently for years in their home countries for visas--screwed. All the people who got visas, came here, and paid for the lawyers and the paperwork--suckers. Suckers like my wife and me.

Quaestor said...

Well said, Gabriel Hanna. Any government that makes chumps of its law-abiding citizens deserves to be hanged from the nearest lamppost. Are you listening, Lord Zero?

AlphaLiberal said...

Isn't that "Senator Kaus"?

Oh, right....

"Kaus finished a distant third in the June 8th, 2010 Democratic primary election, with just 5.3%[35] of the total vote (or 94,298 votes). Political unknown and movie producer Brian Quintana took second with 14.2%, while incumbent Barbara Boxer secured 80.5%, ensuring that she would continue on to the general election."

bagoh20 said...

What's pathetic, Alpha, is that you would bring those facts up without shame.

Quaestor said...

Only AlphaLib would think that pointing out the boneheaded stupidity of the California electorate impeaches Mickey Kaus.

Tell us, AL, does the term non sequitur ring a bell?

jaltcoh said...

I know liberals like Wright. Nothing that happens in the real world will ever change the views they hold so dearly.

I know liberals like that. I also know conservatives like that. I think most people are like that.

Lem said...

Mickey Kaus is right..

Amnesty will only encourage more illegals..

"No mames" is a Mexican slang.

jaltcoh said...

"Kaus finished a distant third in the June 8th, 2010 Democratic primary election, with just 5.3%[35] of the total vote (or 94,298 votes). Political unknown and movie producer Brian Quintana took second with 14.2%, while incumbent Barbara Boxer secured 80.5%, ensuring that she would continue on to the general election."

Yes, a Senate candidate with a campaign budget in the tens of thousands of dollars (almost nothing in a huge state like California), who had never held any elective office except high-school student council president, got 5% of the vote against a long-time incumbent Senator. That's actually somewhat impressive on Kaus's part.

donttread2010 said...

This country has been and continues to be 'nuanced' into oblivion...as with taxes, regulation, and now healthcare and food choices, laws are for the little people. Illegals are higher up on the food chain of the DC elites than ordinary citizens...

rhhardin said...

The deal with immigration is that you want numbers small enough so that the immigrants' native culture dies out and becomes American.

Throw a few million into one place, and that doesn't happen.

That's the reason to return to actual immigration policies and borders.

The Mexican immigration problem is from a problem in Mexico; most foreigners otherwise don't aspire to move to the US.

shoutingthomas said...

I usually cannot abide these Blogginghead things.

Just looking at the still made me determined not to even try.

Look at that picture!

Almost defines "blowhard," doesn't it?

And it goes on for 9 minutes and 19 seconds?

Was anybody actually able to get through the entire thing? I mean, anybody who is actually employed.

I'm noticing, by the way, that the unemployed tend to sit on this board all day.

Thank God I've got a job. I know what it's like, fellas.

Penny said...

The Dream Act isn't going to wash with most Democrats. Illegal immigrants getting in-state tuition is a hot button issue for tax burdened parents, regardless of their political affiliation.

*Californians are exempted from any broad brush statements because they are an odd lot.*

E.M. Davis said...

But he loves the Teenage Dream Act!

(Sorry, I have nothing to really add here.)

Larry J said...

There are two conditions of the Dream Act where an illegal immigrant gets special consideration. The first is if they serve in the US military and the second is if they go to college. I'd be willing to give consideration to those who enlist in the military, especially in wartime. Similiarly, I strongly support accelerating the naturalization process for legal immigrants who serve in the military.

However, I see no rational justification to give special consideration to someone just because they're going to college. They probably outnumber those serving in the military by 100:1, so the military clause in the Dream Act is just sucker bait.

Salamandyr said...

And again the laughable assertion that getting into college is "hard".

PatCA said...

Of course there will be fraud and mistakes and a free for all! They are saying that they will entrust all this vetting of candidates to the same government that approved Mohammed Atta's visa six months after he crashed a plane into the WTC.

No, no, no.

Salamandyr said...

Isn't California the state where illegal immigrants can pay in-state tuition, but American citizens from other states have to pay full way?

maninthemiddle said...

Gabriel Hanna 11:42

Excellent post - and one would be hard pressed to find an viable argument that supports illegal migrants over those that have have travelled the serpentine path of legal residency.

My beautiful daughter in law is from Brazil. She and her family (educated, hard working, and assets to our community) sacrificed much time, money, and effort to arrive legally.

And serpentine rules? One family member had to go back to Brazil for an emergency. Tough luck. He basically started the multi-year process anew.

IMHO, support of unabated illegal immigration makes sense only from a social engineering standpoint.

Trooper York said...

Bob Wright is the guy who will be forced to sell his pussy in the snow.

Fixed.

MB said...

I think the fraud issue is a major point that was allowed to be brushed off to easily. Document fraud is rampant. My son’s car was hit by a woman with fraudulent documentation for auto insurance and a TX driver’s license; good enough to fool the police at the scene. How long would it take to make up telephone billing records, bank account statements, etc.? Who is going to check, especially if there is no penalty for lying. Who will have time to track down these records and who will pay to do it?

I had experience with a person whose references were faked but he had paid people to read from a script if anyone called about him. He went over a decade before the California Board of Medical Examiners caught up with him, and only then because of his criminal behavior involving an immigration scam.

Bruce Hayden said...

I would agree that the military portion is just sucker bait. We have long given citizenship to those who serve honorably in our military.

I just can't see the logic behind giving citizenship for hanging around college a couple of years. Sure, I think that college is great, but I had too good of a time there to think that it is that onerous for all. Some maybe, but plenty, esp. if they are getting affirmative action preferences and scholarships, not that bad.

Gabriel Hanna said...

The fraud issue is worse than you guys think. One of the provisions of the DREAM act is that if you apply and are denied, none of the information you submitted can be used as grounds for deportation.

Doesn't matter if it's totally fraudulent. So every applicant can apply and pass, or if they fail they can be immune from deportation and get the equivalent of amnesty.

Dishonest stuff like this is what is so disgusting about it. It's not thelaws themselves, so much as the kabuki dances that masquerade as laws.