Hey, teachers!
Aren't you forgetting a thing or 2? You've got them chanting "Hey hey, ho ho, Scott Walker has got to go" — but what do they know about Scott Walker? That he's done something the teachers don't like. So, maybe some day, when you do something they don't like, some kid might start "Hey hey, ho ho, [TEACHER'S NAME] has got to go." Today, you're pleased to teach them "The children, united, will never be divided." I'm picturing them repurposing that chant back in the classroom.
What will you do if they learn the lesson you're teaching them, to denounce legitimate authority when it crosses your heartfelt interests?
Whose school? OUR SCHOOL! Whose school? OUR SCHOOL!
ADDED: This video was taken by Meade and me at the Wisconsin Capitol today around noon.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 229 of 229But they're not, honey. Who said that? We call that a strawman argument
Sure they are, Snookums. Just because you have not personally seen it doesn't mean it's not happening. (I think you have actually and are just being dishonest.)
Krugman (among many, many others) did...<>
The implication is clear...though you may not have the proper faculties to draw the inference.
Iowahawk's assertions are especially valid because of the issue of the demographics.
(Quick hint: Which state has a much, much higher percentage of students with no educational history documentation prior to enrollment (age is not determinative), and speaks ESL?)
Sorry...here's the Krugman quote
Krugman then notes, "Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country."
So add Wisconsin family farmers to the list of parasites, that includes cops, teachers, firefighters, and pretty much anyone that doesn't agree with today's hard right. Nice tiny tent you have there.
Even if I had called cops and firefighters parasites -- and I did not -- that "tiny tent" would still encompass around 95% of America.
Bottom line, the ends justify the means.
Really, MadMan? I can tell you that if my kid's teacher asked me if she could take my kid out to chant pro-Walker slogans, my response would be "Fuck no".
As I said, it would be a tall hurdle. My first question if informed of it would be "What on Earth would be the educational value of it?"
The odds that this would have happened with my kids' teachers in Elementary School is vanishingly small.
Now that I have high schoolers, they can think for themselves and answer yes or no. Although we've told the son that he can in no way miss any school periods between now and when he leaves town for a week 2 weeks before Spring Break. With the Senior Daughter, well, she can't have unexcused absences either now that Spring Sports have started.
Yet I keep hearing about how we don't have enough money for schools.
I blame technology. Schools should go back to typewriters and ditto machines.
Krugman's faulty statistics have already been debunked. Wisconsin is BELOW the median when you separate children by ethnicity - White, Black and Hispanic.
I'm moving from a moderate viewpoint on these teachers - the present law just passed - to a more draconian approach.
The draconian approach actually is very commonsensical - fire all the teachers and TEST all of them for knowledge and ability. The same people at the Testing Service in Princeton that puts out the SATs can develop a standardized set of TAT tests - Teacher Aptitude Tests.
This will quantify their knowledge and indicate their capability to TEACH OUR CHILDREN.
No more tenure, folks!
This is why out Forefathers hated true Democracy, for it is Mob Rule!
If that isn't contributing to the delinquency of a minor, I don't know what is?
End Public Unions, they are Organized Criminals Brainwashing our children and our future.
Sloanasaurus said...
I mean, I have kids, and I great pains to try and be somewhat neutral on politics - maybe I am making a huge mistake in doing that, seeing what we are up against.
3/14/11 10:29 PM
Great, another parent who is happy to have MSM/DNC propaganda be the greater influence on their child's outlook, rather than their own.
At least, explain to your children what you believe and WHY.
At least, teach them to be wary and skeptical of concentrated power, especially government power.
At least, try to get them to think critically, use facts, reasoned argument...
WV: peweet -- what happens when you try to tweet on a low battery
So teachers can't fight for better conditions, but we can use 'rote chanting' to indoctrinate kids with "one nation under God"? Yeah, teachers are such a terrible enemy of our kids. Business can fight for more tax breaks but teachers can't fight for supplies? How horrible that kids could be taught that society should value and invest in our education system. After greedy wreckless bankers destroy our economy, you all go after teachers? http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-3-2011/crisis-in-the-dairyland---for-richer-and-poorer---teachers-and-wall-street
Your search - "Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country" site:nytimes.com - did not match any documents.
Your search - "Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked second in the country." site:nytimes.com - did not match any documents.
The Krugman column Iowahawk discusses doesn't mention Wisconsin at all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/opinion/28krugman.html
He does point out that Texas's lack of public sector unions did not prevent its current massive budget gap. But that's as close as he comes.
Yet I keep hearing about how we don't have enough money for schools.
I blame technology. Schools should go back to typewriters and ditto machines.
You have a point. My daughter tells me about her 'smartboard' in her classrooms. I got to see one and its a really cool, fancy 'chalkboard' that costs a whole lot of money. To make matters worse you can't really punish the troublemakers by cleaning them after school since they just have an off switch.
Amazing with all that tech and we still lag behind those smart Euros and Asians.
He does point out that Texas's lack of public sector unions did not prevent its current massive budget gap.
Maybe because state governments are simply spending too much money, public sector unions notwithstanding.
Above all, I remind them that when we see something that we think is unfair we can calmly and respectfully ask that our voice be heard.
Do you consider the activities of the protesters over the past 2-3 weeks calm and respectful?
No, I did not share with my children YOUR views ...
I didn't express any views on the Budget Repair Bill per se. I expressed FACTS on how public unions operate. You're teaching your kids to only interpret things in regard to themselves. The "concern" for others is only a cover for getting what you want. You express no concern for those of use who have less in many cases and pay for this.
Consider this threatening letter sent out by unions in Wisconsin. Will the police and fire fighters being doing a little less enthusiastic job if you don't support them publicly?
Personally, I've never had any use for unions and refused to work any where that I would have to join a union. FLS mentions manufacturing jobs that had left Wisconsin. Guess one major reason they left. Unions that demanded to much the businesses couldn't operate competively. About 40 years ago, unions went from fighting for worker's rights and fair pay to being greedy and power hungry. Strangely, union members have been losing jobs and opportunities ever since.
I blame technology. Schools should go back to typewriters and ditto machines.
Or switch to more technology and fewer actual teachers.
Teachers spend the majority of their time focusing on the comparatively small percentage of their class that "doesn't get it". Most students pick up the lesson fairly quickly.
With modern testing technology those students can quickly be identified. Teachers can focus their efforts on concentrated instruction for those particular students, while the bulk of students are given automated instruction. We could save a great deal of money while improving the overall quality of education.
Teachers' unions would never allow it, though; any proposed solution to our education problems that doesn't boil down to "more spending on teachers' salaries and benefits" is opposed by the unions.
The average Wisconsin taxpayer -- with less than a college education -- did make more money before so many plants were shuttered, moving production to Mexico, China, and even Canada.
Were these union jobs?
DADvocate said...
He can't show it because more money doesn't translate to better education. If it did we'd be leading the world already. More money is just the simple minded lefties answer to everything.
Of course he can't, because a leftist retard like garage, one of the most stunningly stupidest people I've had the mispleasure of ever having to have interacted with can't even articulate his nonsense in the most cogent of matters. What's even worse is, as he's blabbing like dumbest of leftist stooges about how more money should be going into Big Education, this human fool and his other moronic ilk never ask the seemingly simple question of, "hey, where are the untold trillions that have been spent on education gone when our kids are failing in schools nationwide? Where did it go and what did we get for it?"
That is the central question that they don't ask and frankly no one asks. Where are those trillions and what have gotten for them? If it is watching Wisconsinite public employee parasites cry like stuck pigs about tax monies they won't get an automatic on anymore, then that wasn't money well spent now was it?
Alex,
Bottom line, the ends justify the means.
That's liberal "thinking" for you.
I explained clearly to them that as nurse I am required to never make a mistake at work because I am responsible for lives. I explained that having a say in how many patients I care for and how many hours I work in a row is important for safety and that I would like to have a say in those matters. I explain that Dad and mom both have to take pay cuts so we are moving (if we can sell our house). I remind them that money is not what matters but people. Also, that a smaller house means we will be closer and that we are lucky to be healthy and happy and have jobs...period.
Why in the world would you want to burden your children with these adult worries at their ages. ( I don't believe you. ) Children at that agedon't need to be burdened with politics and your adult troubles. It is your job to make them feel safe and to be safe as best you cn.
If you are so adamant that parents can indoctrinate their own children in anyway that they like, please tell us your feelings about the parents who named their children Hitler and Ayran Nation. That is their right if they want to indoctrinate thier own children as skin head Ayran White Supremecists.......right?
My legacy Oshkosh B'Gosh overalls were made by members of the United Garment Workers of America Local 126. The Oshkosh plant closed in 1997 due to declining overall sales -- the product mix had shifted almost entirely to children's clothing, which was made first in the South and then overseas.
Jamesway incubators are now made by Canadian Local 108 of the GMP International Union. I don't know if they were unionized in Wis.
The Oshkosh plant closed in 1997 due to declining overall sales
Why do you think sales were declining? Could the price of the product have something to do with it?
When you have to pay the union wages PLUS medical and pension benefits, there is only so much of a price raise that the people buying the product can handle.
The rest of us who aren't making union wages are forced to shop around for less expensive and lesser quality items.
"But slashing wages and benefits from eduicators, and gutting our education budget here in WI by 1 billion dollars while increasing road paving by 5 billion is ....? Some people have some really fucked up priorities."
What's F*cked up is you believe you're talking about the same universe the rest of us live in.
"Slashing" and "gutting?" Really?
In a small town Wisco high school in early 80's, I experienced teachers walking around with contract dispute buttons on and hearing them tell things from their side.
Also witnessed a cocky, marginal older teacher explain the untouchable nature of seniority while watching a younger, brilliant teacher get canned.
It's all coming together now.
The draconian approach actually is very commonsensical - fire all the teachers and TEST all of them for knowledge and ability. The same people at the Testing Service in Princeton that puts out the SATs can develop a standardized set of TAT tests - Teacher Aptitude Tests.
They actually did this in Texas in the mid '80s. I saw the study guide for the test, and it was laughably simple...yet some teachers (mostly coaches, IIRC) flunked it and lost their jobs.
This makes the case for privatization of public education.
This is what democracy looks like. If you don't like the principles of America's founding fathers, please leave!!
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