October 11, 2012

Live-blogging the big VP debate.

6:45 Central Time: Get ready!

7:18: "Paul Ryan's very attractive to a lot of women," opines David Gergen on the CNN pre-show. I have the DVR set to play the debate on CNN, but I'm thinking of changing because they're going to display focus group reactions on screen — colored lines — through the whole thing. I want to form my own opinion!

7:47: CNN commentators are finding a hundred different ways to say that the debate will be affected by having the candidates sitting and physically close together. Somehow, it will be harder to fight, at least in a personal way.

8:03: Game on. First question is about Libya and the absence of protests. Biden goes first, not focusing on the question asked, the massive failure of intelligence. Ryan takes notes.

8:06: Biden talks about tracking down terrorists to the "gates of Hell," as Ryan smiles. Ryan immediately attacks the President for blaming the YouTube video. We should have had a Marine detachment protecting Chris Stevens. We've been "projecting weakness abroad." We're witnessing "the unraveling of Obama foreign policy."

8:09: Biden is being rude, laughing and mouthing words.  And Ryan is talking about serious national security matters. Biden mutters an interruption. When Biden is given a turn, he calls what Ryan said "malarky." Biden stutters and falters and has to say "uh" about 5 times before he can come up with the word "Iran."

8:12: "We weren't told they wanted more security," Biden says, and now it's Ryan who laughs — a little scoff.

8:13: Should the U.S. apologize? Ryan says "yes" re urinating on Korans — which the moderator (Raddatz) mentioned — but not "for standing up for our values."

8:15: Ryan is speaking earnestly about preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, and Biden is chuckling toothily, his body shaking like Santa Claus. Biden says if Republicans had had control of the sanctions, the rest of the world wouldn't have followed us. These were "the most crippling sanctions." Biden goes on and on assuring us that Iran is far from being able to deliver a nuclear bomb. He accuses the Republicans of "loose talk."

8:19: Biden talks to "Bibi" all the time and so does Obama. What Ryan says is "a bunch of stuff." When Ryan speaks, Biden is laughing clownishly again. It looks just awful. Ryan isn't rattled by it. I think he knows Biden looks foolish.

8:23: Biden is acting as though he cannot physically tolerate Ryan having a turn to speak!

8:25: Economics. Biden grabs the opportunity to push the 47% theme. He's "had it up to here," he says, with wealthy people not paying their fair share.  He sounds really cranky and angry. Ryan: "Joe and I are from similar towns." And in Janesville, his home town, unemployment has gone from 8.5% to 10%. Biden busts out another big grin.

8:29: "The Vice President very well knows that the words don't always come out the right way," Ryan says, getting a laugh, defending Romney from the 47% charge. Instead of taking this graciously, Biden mutters something about how he believes everything he says. Ryan tells some stories about Romney's charity toward the unfortunate, which includes someone that was in a car accident, and Biden takes the opportunity to remind us that his own wife died in a car crash, which is sad, but oddly misplaced.

8:33: Ryan talks about "green pork" in the stimulus, and Biden gets all cranked up about how Ryan sought stimulus money for his district. Biden continually interrupts Ryan in a way I find incredibly annoying.

8:36: While Ryan is talking about Medicare helping his mother and grandmother, Biden sighs long and loud. Sighing! Remember when Gore got in no end of trouble for sighing? How can Biden not know that?!

8:39: "They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, turning Medicare into a piggy bank for Obamacare," says Ryan. Biden interrupts. Ryan says: "Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think everyone will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other." I love the politeness of "if we don't keep" — we — when Biden has been an interruption machine and Ryan has barely interrupted and only occasionally has talked over to keep from losing his turn. The moderator, Martha Raddatz has done nothing at all to control Biden, who is, I think, hurting himself. Biden says: "Well, don't take all 4 minutes then." He should have said, "All right" or something reasonably conciliatory.

8:51: The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling? Ryan needs nerves of steel not to lose his cool. I'm impressed that Ryan, when he gets his turn, is able to speak in an even, natural voice. It's hard to concentrate on the policy itself, because the emotional static is so strong.

9:11: Biden has been yelling at Martha Raddatz for the last 15 minutes (as the subject is war). It's so inappropriate!

9:21: They're asked to talk about how their Catholicism has informed their position on abortion. Ryan isn't pro-life "simply because of" his Catholicism. It's also about science and reason. He talks of seeing his bean-shaped unborn child on a sonogram. Biden says "My religion informs who I am." He accepts the Catholic position on abortion that life begins at conception, but he refuses to impose that on others.

9:27: The last question is about negative campaigning. Biden rambles. Paul Ryan attributes the negativity to Obama's failures: he has nothing to run on.

9:34: Wait. That wasn't the last question. There's a question about character: What do you bring as a man? Nothing particularly interesting was extracted by that question.

9:35: Now, closing statements.

9:48: That debate was so annoying! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones. Okay, well, but independents were watching, and Biden was horribly rude. He created this disturbing atmosphere of anxiety.

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Tyrone Slothrop said...

Bidens's smirking is very off-putting.

john said...

To be fair, there are several steps between having fissile material and having a weapon. A cargo container doesn't fit in the equation until those steps have been taken.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Ryan talks solutions.. Biden talks reelection.

jr565 said...

Talking loud doesn't equate to speaking the truth joe. Where are the 4 million green jobs, joe? Where are all the shovel ready jobs Joe? fuck you Joe.

Anonymous said...

My middle schooler "what's the matter with that guys teeth, and what is he laughing at?"

Personally, I don't know how Biden worked in the death of his wife and kids but it seems gratuitous. Ryan told a story about how Romney empathazies with people who aren't like him, Biden told a sob story. It's not manly, but probably played well with the emotional crowd.

Blue@9 said...

Other note with sound off:

The CNN insta-reaction tracker for undecideds is far more positive for Ryan. Biden trends neutral, Ryan in the plus side.

Anonymous said...

SOLYNDRA IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COMPANY IN AMERICA. JUST ASK NYT.

BIDEN IS THE BEST, THE BOLDEST, AND THE GREATEST.

Shouting Thomas said...

Ryan's answer on SS and Medicare...

Somebody has to pay for it.

Let's see what Biden says.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Did Biden just denied that there are panels in Obamacare?

LoafingOaf said...

I find it hard to even listen to what's being said because I'm just looking at Biden and wondering why he's acting like this. May turn the channel to baseball.

Anonymous said...

Why is Ryan so thirsty?

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Biden was told to challenge everything and filibuster.

LoafingOaf said...

"The CNN insta-reaction tracker for undecideds is far more positive for Ryan. Biden trends neutral, Ryan in the plus side."

Ohh, I'll flip over to CNN and check that out. I'm not surprised.

furious_a said...

Joe Biden: "This president does not bluff."

Barack Obama: "Don't call my bluff, Eric."

cologeek said...

Biden isn't smirking, it's more of a rictus!

Blue@9 said...

Not suggesting Biden doesn't get positive reactions, but when you see a transition from Ryan to Biden, it's like a waterfall.

Shouting Thomas said...

"Hands in the cookie jar!"

There you go.

Obama stole the money from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

john said...

God, he's got to stop smirking.

Anonymous said...

Ryan is too sassy.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Wow Ryan is repectfully treating Biden and Biden Snaps back!

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Biden interrupts again!

john said...

Ryan is too deferential to his elders.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Medicare Part D is CRAP! A gift to big Pharma.

marylynn said...

I think there is something seriously wrong with Biden - his demeaner is actually bizarre. He is embarrassing.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I was there I was in the room.

Rusty said...

Medicare.
Ryan has the facts and figures.
Biden has talking points, smirks and laughs.
Biden interrupts too much.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden says that fundamental change to SS is completely off limits.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Sighs matter.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Biden avoids the question MR just asked about raising the minimum age.

Anonymous said...

Ryan's record coming back to bite him in the butt.

Portia said...

Biden is off his meds, or plugs, or something. Bizarre is right.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Ryan's doing a good job of shutting down the filibuster, no help from the moderator.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Biden dosent want Ryan to explain a plan for younger workers.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS SO SMART. I LOVE HIM.

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER MORE.

I ENVY OBAMA FOR ALL THE LOVE AND AFFECTION HE GETS FROM EVERY-ONE ON THIS EARTH.

bagoh20 said...

"Why is Ryan so thirsty?"

I understand this. When Joe is talking, I get the feeling I'm at a bar, and I'm way behind on the drinking.

Cedarford said...

john said...
I think Biden did well on the Iran nuclear question.

But maybe because my expectation is low.

=================
Not really.

Biden mistakenly thinks figuring out how to make a functioning nuke bomb once you have enough weapons grade fissile material is a BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!

It isn't.
Any reasonably technologically advanced nation, including Iran, can make a gun type HEU bomb assembly in months. Most, including Iran, know how to make a HEU-H3 implosion assembly (highly enriched uranium, tritium boosted)
with a few months more time and at least one test to prove the design.

LoafingOaf said...

marylynn said...
I think there is something seriously wrong with Biden - his demeaner is actually bizarre. He is embarrassing.


Yup. It's really disturbing and offensive to me that he's acting this way. It will be interesting to see how the rest of America reacts.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden... "I'll give you more free stuff!"

No mention of how to pay for it.

An Edjamikated Redneck said...

I bet if Ryan stood up and knock Biden off his chair it would bring a round of applause from the house.

Biden is getting on my last nerve.

Maybe that is his task; get folks pissed off enough to turn off the debate so they can't hear how reasonable Ryan is?

rcommal said...

Wasn't Biden the one who wanted to carve up Iraq into a bunch of other countries?

He was among a number of people who made similar proposals that Iraq would be better off if, in terms of its area and of its people, it were to move forward as separate (if allied and/or aligned) separate entities. Among the number of the people I just made reference to were people who resided at various places along the political spectrum.

Not everything has to fall along partisan (much less *current*) partisan lines. Especially when it comes to foreign policy, which--by the way--is arguably the area in which I'm least inclined to ignore cheap shots, whether I express my noticing of them or not (mostly not: but, still, I notice--and remember).

Anonymous said...

Again, I got mine to hell with you.

AllenS said...

Is Martha even trying to be neutral? I'm watching baseball and reading the comments.

Portia said...

Biden is quoting so many figures I can't keep track.

ad hoc said...

Biden is so disrespectful, not letting Ryan finish a sentance. And the moderator, in order to bail out Biden, moves onto another topic. And her voice is really annoying.

_Jim said...

To America's Politico

FO boyo.

jr565 said...

Biden can't help but cut in again and again. But he's such a blowhard the extra time he uses just makes him look like a blowhard. What a jackass.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS THE BEST. HE IS DESTROYING RYAN. HE IS LIKE BOND SHOOTING SPECTRE (GOP).

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden is becoming louder and more histrionic as he goes along.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY. OH LOVE HIM.

DiploMad said...

Ryan has to cut him off! Interrupt!

Anonymous said...

Ryan can't answer that.

wyo sis said...

Inga
Are you articulating for Biden?
I'm not understanding your comments.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Ryan's American flag is bigger. OO-rah.

Anga2010 said...

I can't understand Biden very well when he talks about two hundred million billion (is that a trillion?) and his numbers change by orders of magnitude in the middle of his sentences.

Rusty said...

Inga said...
Again, I got mine to hell with you.


That's not what he said. Why do you want to misrepresent what he actually said?

Shouting Thomas said...

Ryan addresses the issue of cutting spending.

Good for him.

Biden has finessed the reality that he want no limits on government spending.

Almost Ali said...

Obama did better.

cubanbob said...

America's Politico said...
SOLYNDRA IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COMPANY IN AMERICA. JUST ASK NYT.

BIDEN IS THE BEST, THE BOLDEST, AND THE GREATEST.

10/11/12 8:36 PM

Normally I laugh at your posts but considering that the IRS is stating that that Solyndra's bankruptcy is a scam to pocket hundreds of millions in taxes to the owners who happen to be major Obama funders.

garage mahal said...

Ryan advocating the privatization of SS.

WHOOOOOOOPZ!

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH RICH PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THEIR BIG GOVERMENT!

Anonymous said...

RYAN IS LYING. BIDEN IS SAYING SO.

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER.

edutcher said...

Ryan starts to bring up the insolvency of Social Security and Martha changes the subject.

On cue.

Good thing I'm not Ryan, I'd be tempted to turn to Martha and say, "Maybe I should leave the room for 20 minutes so you two can be alone".

B said...

This is mind boggling. Biden is a heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief and he cannot master himself in a debate with a polite opponent.

wyo sis said...

Small businesses are dying.
That's exactly what Ryan should keep hitting and hitting hard.

If Biden spits out that snarky laugh again I may have to turn this off.

Anonymous said...

Big bipartisan agreements, right.

bob said...

well, at least Biden won't be able to say he was "too polite."

rcommal said...

I don't like all that "look," "look," and "see" from Senator Ryan.

I look and see plenty. How about you start from that point of departure, Mr. Ryan? (That would be a reference to once of Ryan's great weaknesses, from my POV.)

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

So I take Biden's rudeness doesn't bother the blind faithful?

wyo sis said...

Biden is not helping himself with that SE grin.

roesch/voltaire said...

Ryan still doesn't have the specifics on the tax plan-- this is not going to fly.

David said...

Why do Obama and Biden smirk?

Why can't they control themselves?

I understand they feel that conservative ideas are stupid beyond all measure, but couldn't they demonstrate it by argument rather than facial expression.

They have been living way, way too long in the bubble.

Rusty said...

Biden is now talking the politics of envy.

Anonymous said...

Loopy for Loopholes!

Portia said...

I think Biden's figures are coming from the usual place: the sky, his ass, whatever.

He is loopy!

Almost Ali said...

Biden has nice dentures. Maybe a little too white, but they seem to stay put.

JohnJ said...

Trying really, really hard not to be distracted (and outraged) by the VP’s “Village Idiot” act.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN JUST DESTROYED RYAN.

BIDEN IS KILLING RYAN.

BIDEN IS SO SMART THAT EVERY-ONE IN GAINESVILLE, WI, IS CRYING AND FEELING SORRY FOR RYAN.

LoafingOaf said...

I don't think it even maters what anyone's saying in this debate anymore. The story seems to be, "Why is Biden acting like this?"

Tyrone Slothrop said...

We're seeing the Obama campaign's reaction to the prez debate-- they determined Obama was too nice, and that's why he lost. "Be a jerk, Joe!" sez Axelrod. "I can do that!" sez Joe.

TWM said...

I think Ryan is doing pretty well since he is debating both Biden and the moderator . . .

Gary Kirk said...

If nothing else, tonight makes me grateful that Joe Biden has never had the opportunity to exercise his powers as acting President. His finger on the trigger? Scary.

gadfly said...

Ronald Reagan was not a detail guy, so he never gave any details on a tax cut.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha, that's how we get thngs done!

wyo sis said...

I don't like "look", as a sentence starter either. I wish he wouldn't do that.

Imagine Biden challenging Ryan on math.

Why won't she shut down the overtalking?

S. said...

Cripes. Biden is rude.

Anonymous said...

EVERY-ONE AT NYT IS HAVING AN ORGASM AS BIDEN IS DESTROYING RYAN.

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER.

Anonymous said...

YES, Let them expire.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden's clear about one thing.

He refuses to consider any reduction in government spending in any program.

Every government expenditure is sacred.

Anonymous said...

EVERYONE AT HUFFPOST AND DAILYBEAST IS HAVING AN ORGASM.

WHY?

BECAUSE OF BIDEN'S BRILLIANCE.

BIDEN IS LIKE SUPERNOVAE. HE SHINES GREATER THAN ANYONE.

Gary Kirk said...

If nothing else, tonight makes me grateful that Joe Biden has never had the opportunity to exercise his powers as acting President. His finger on the trigger? Scary.

Lyssa said...

Everyone always says that they want to see no moderators, just the two guys sitting and talking to each other.

Yeah, how's that working out right now?

Anonymous said...

This is a bad debate for Ryan. He's allowed Biden and the moderator walk all over him. I don't think it'll cause a big shift in the polls tho. Just like it didn't happen.

Oso Negro said...

It is marvelous in every sense of the word that Joe Biden made it to be Vice-President of the United States of America.

Seeing Red said...

Via Insty - just for Garage:

BIDEN PROPOSES SOCIAL SECURITY FREEZE: “While this program is severe, it is the only proposal that will halt the upward spiral of deficits. . . . Within the next 12 to 18 months this country will face an economic and political crisis of extraordinary proportions if Congress refuses to take decisive action on the deficits that we face.”

Okay, that was Biden back in 1984. But if he calls Ryan an “extremist” on deficits, Ryan may want to mention this. Upside for Joe: In the accompanying photo, he still has hair, kind of.

cubanbob said...

Biden lies so shamelessly. Ryan should just tell him to shut the fuck up and stop butting in. And Raddatz is obviously in the tank for Biden.

wyo sis said...

She wants to know what national security interests?

Where has she been?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

MR baits and switches Ryan and Ryan tryes to answer but Biden interrupts.

Anonymous said...

I WANT STEPHANIE CUTTER ON THE DEBATE FLOOR. SHE SHOULD ASK COME AND THEN RYAN WILL WET HIS PANTS.

BIDEN IS THE BEST STAR IN THE GALAXY.

Dan said...

I used to think Biden was a buffoon. Now I think he's more of a jackass. In Minnesota we like it better when people take turns and don't interrupt someone who's speaking.

Rusty said...

Bidens attitute isn't helping.

Letting the bush tax cuts expire wuld be an enormous tax on the middle class.




Eric said...

Martha is a see you next tuesday.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS DESTROYING RYAN.

BIDEN IS KILLING RYAN.

BIDEN IS DISMEMBERING RYAN.

RYAN IS WETTING HIS PANTS.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Biden is calling the moderator a lyar.

Anonymous said...

What a joke! republicans wanted bipartisanship, who does he think he's fooling?

Anonymous said...

GAIL COLLINS AND MO DOWD ARE HAVING AN ORGASM AS BIDEN IS DESTROYING RYAN.

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER.

bagoh20 said...

"Yeah, how's that working out right now?"

Yea, it can't work with an ass like Biden. He's afraid to let his opponent talk, which I understand.

furious_a said...

Wish there were a refresh button at bottom of comments, have to keep scrolling back to top.

Kelly said...

Comment from my 14 year old; why is he pointing his finger and laughing? That's rude.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Biden seems desperate.

TWM said...

Biden is a buffoon appealing to only the faithful. Ryan is doing the best he can having to deal with this moderator.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Biden is lying, and the moderator is clearly on his side.

wyo sis said...

Respect for the troops. Good for him.

holdfast said...

Holy sh*t - it's just fully 2 on 1. Radtitz isn't even pretending any more.

Ryan has to defend every jot and tittle of the Romney plan. Biden doesn't have to defend 4 years of failure at all.

Hagar said...

I can't watch very much of this at a time.

It does look like Joe and Martha against Ryan.

Must give him points for keeping his cool.

Agree with edutcher above. That does not happen often!

paminwi said...

wtf happened to the 2 minutes/2 minutes/9 minutes of discussion? Marthais throwing the debate to Biden!

Anonymous said...

Yes, and Romney wants to leave our troops in that hellhole for how much longer?

aka John said...

This is a debate? Is the moderator almost breaking into tears? Ann, Joe is downright ugly! This is a joke. Ryan is the epitome of coolness under pressure with regards to the antics these two are employing.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS SO STATESMAN AND SO SCHOLAR, THAT RYAN IS WRONG TO JUST RUN AGAINST HIM.

NO ONE SHOULD RUN AGAINST BIDEN.

HE IS NON-COMPARABLE. HE BELONGS ON MT. RUSHMORE.

LoafingOaf said...

"Ryan should just tell him to shut the fuck up and stop butting in."

Part of his strategy may be to tick Ryan off so much that Ryan snaps. Ryan should tell him off but in a very careful way.

Gary Kirk said...

It's a tag-team match. Martha's check will be in the mail.

Almost Ali said...

Mr Ryan, tell 'em what Lara Logan just said about the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Inga,
Which debate are you watching?

Seeing Red said...

--What a joke! republicans wanted bipartisanship, who does he think he's fooling?--

I WON.

There's your bipartisanship.

rcommal said...

From what I can tell, commentary here is mostly about dialing it in. Hell, that might even be appropriate, given the context.
/whatever

pauldar said...

This Debate was suppose to get Obama back in the lead. OMG biden failed terribly. What the hell was they thinking

Methadras said...

Biden clearly thinks that his blustering populist nonsense will carry him through while Ryan has eviscerated him policy wise. Biden has zero to stand on.

David said...

Will this ever end?

Tim said...

Sounds like Joe is driving the high-speed locomotive right off the cliff.

Won't matter though.

Obama easily gets 90% of his '08 vote.

His voters predictably dumb that way.

Seeing Red said...

She's in lalaland.

bagoh20 said...

Didn't we just lose an embassy to Al Qaeda, and some good people?

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Bin Laden drink!

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

At times Ryan has been debating the moderator and Biden.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS SO GOOD THAT EVERY VP IN HISTORY SHOULD GIVE UP THEIR OFFICE FOR HIM.

EVERY-ONE IN THE NYT, NPR, PBS, MSBNC, ESP. CHRIS MATTHEWS AND RACHEL MADDOWS, ARE HAVING AN ORGASM.

I LOVE STEPHANIE CUTTER.

Anonymous said...

Bring our troops home , we better damn well be leaving.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden has the demeanor of an old time union boss.

"Period!"

Don't you dare go beyond this period.

Seems to be affected Ryan.

Gahrie said...

Biden is being incredibly rude and boorish, and ryan is handling it with grace and humor. I hope somebody is watching Matthews and Sullivan...they just might be suicidal....

Indigo Red said...

furious -- press f5 to refresh.

virgil xenophon said...

Somebody over at Vodakapundit says "Would it be better if Raddatz put an Obama Sticker on her forehead?" LOL

DADvocate said...

Centre College, where the debate is being held, recruited my son for football. The auditorium was originally intended for Arizona State University. Something happened, which I can't remember, and the auditorium ended up at Centre. If you can see the seats and decor, you'll notice they are ASU colors and a desert motif. in 1919, Centre shared the national championship in football.

B said...

This is a bad debate for Ryan.

Not sure about that. The contrast between Biden and Ryan is like that between free association ranting and focus. That's stark and familiar to just about any adult.

This may not be a disaster for Obama- so far - but it's nowhere close to a tie and it'll translate into more ground to try to make up in his own debates.

Tom G said...

Biden is rude and boorish - disrespectful and impossible to take seriously.

Big Mike said...

@Inga, have you considered getting professional help?

Simply put, everything you believe is wrong. And the more strongly you believe it, the more likely it is to be wrong.

Bryan said...

I wonder if Biden is getting so perturbed because he's not able to land the knockout punch he needs to even the debate score.

-Bryan

Tim said...

Sounds like Joe is driving the high-speed locomotive right off the cliff.

Won't matter though.

Obama easily gets 90% of his '08 vote.

His voters are predictably dumb that way: can't learn from mistakes.

Anonymous said...

Something I noticed in the first debate was that Obama wore a solid blue tie, Romney a red tie with blue stripes. Tonight Biden wears a blue tie with narrow blue stripes, Ryan wears a red tie with blue stripes.

Is this significant? Is it showing that Romney and Ryan want a reach out to some "blue" voters, while Obama/Biden are aiming for the base.

Biden's demeanor was straight to the base, because they have become disheartened and needed some red meat.

ALH said...

Did Biden just tip off the Taliban that we are going to stop joint patrols if they keep up the "green on blue" attacks?

Stay classy, Joe Biden.

LoafingOaf said...

This is a total trainwreck for Biden.

Gary Kirk said...

Mr. Ryan, if Joe thinks you are his friend, you need to stop buying him drinks. Friends don't let friends drive the vice-presidency drunk.

Balfegor said...

8:51: The stress level is rising. Biden is so angry. Why is he yelling? Ryan needs nerves of steel not to lose his cool. I'm impressed that Ryan, when he gets his turn, is able to speak in an even, natural voice. It's hard to concentrate on the policy itself, because the emotional static is so strong.

That's what he wants, I think. He wants the story to be the atmospherics (He is a fighter!), not substance. Biden chose his strategy for the debate, and he is committed to it 110%.

edutcher said...

I have to hand it to Martha. every time she thinks Joe's about to get skunked, she changes the subject.

And, yes, I had the same thought about Albert Gore and his sighing.

Hagar said...

Agree with edutcher above. That does not happen often!

If you sit on the riverbank long enough, you will see your enemies float past.

Or something.

Unknown said...

Ryan is slowly overtaking this debate. He is a serious and knowledgeable person. Slo Joe is is so fake!

TWM said...

49 of them muthafuckers signed on or my name is not Joe Biden!

bagoh20 said...

Hasn't the moderator challenged Ryan about 10 to 1 compared to her challenges to Biden answers? It seems pretty obviously biased doesn't it?

LilyBart said...


Do people really buy Biden's schtick?

bee said...

Biden appears angry and intolerant ... His occasional good points are lost to an overwhelming projections of intolerance and anger

Tim said...

bagoh20 said...

"Didn't we just lose an embassy to Al Qaeda, and some good people?"

Yes, that's a fact.

Here's another: Obama voters are impervious to that fact.

Anonymous said...

We will leave in 2014. Afghans need to take care of themselves now. Romney is a loser on his position.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden's going to convince the Afghanis to "step up!"

That's pretty funny.

wyo sis said...

Even I know a timeline is a joke. The Taliban must be falling all over themselves.

Step up! Like Germany and France who still hove troops there.

Progressively Defensive said...

This woman is all Democratic - she's a left-wing pink-lady; she's challenging Ryan on everything, letting Biden interrupt him and letting Biden float. Right?

TWM said...

Did the VP just say the only way the Afghans will do anything is if we threaten to leave?

edutcher said...

Joe's committed, all right.

Or should be.

Jake said...

Wow. Biden is real tough with our allies. We need to give them absolute deadlines "or else" but when it comes to Iran...not so much.

john said...

Ryan's deference will serve him well. When someone is self destructing it's best to just watch silently.

Seeing Red said...

Not Romney, Inga, America & the Afghan people.

TWM said...

That will really get them going lol

Seven Machos said...

Do we have troops in France? That would be shocking to me.

Anonymous said...

Biden needs to cool it a bit, he's getting too angry. I don't blame him though.

caplight45 said...

Maybe Joe is supposed to have a melt down so that he can be replaced with Hillary. Doing horrible in the debates is the new Dem plan for winning.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Joe get upset when his lies dont bear out.

Seven Machos said...

If you've lost Inga...

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Biden interrupts again.

wyo sis said...

Troops for the French Ambassador none for Libyan Ambassador.

Seven Machos said...

be replaced with Hillary

I think that ship has sailed. Definitely ballot-wise, and probably legally, too.

Hagar said...

That - and not very bright.

jr565 said...

So suppose on December 31st of 2013 we have an insurgency that decides to attack our interests and bases or Afghanistan govt leaving an unstable situation. We should still pull out because we set a timetable back in 2012? Based on nothing but saying well pull troops out by 2014?

Anonymous said...

Let the Afghans take care of themselves! We are done there.

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS DESTROYING RYAN.

I CANNOT EVEN WATCH IT. THIS IS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION.

WILL UN INTERVENE? WHY? TO PROTECT RYAN.

Gahrie said...

Do we have troops in France? That would be shocking to me.

Nope..they kicked us out in the 1950's.......

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Biden's gonna have a stroke.

Anonymous said...

NOBEL COMMITTEE TO GIVE PEACE PRIZE TO BIDEN.

WHY?

HE WILL NO LONGER KILL RYAN (AFTER THIS DEBATE).

TWM said...

Joe has a chicken neck . . .

David said...

Biden is seriously pissed.

At Raddatz!!!!

She dared to challenge him.

How uncouth.

Freeman Hunt said...

Just got home. Was out with friends. What'd I miss?

I already figured out, just upon walking in the door and glancing at the television, that Biden's strategy is to be aggressive.

Anonymous said...

Dang Inga, keep hearing "Alley Oop, Oop, Oop.....Oop,Oop. But that keeps me from thinking about how dopey her comments are.

wyo sis said...

Syria
Great question.

Answer
Obama wants to play wag the dog in Syria.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

BTW this is Obamas doing..

Obama politicised afghanistan.

Almost Ali said...

Blogger can't keep up.

It's over anyway. Especially after you turn American security to the Afghans.

jr565 said...

Fewer Americans are there to defend each other in the east Joe. Yes, afghanis have to step up, but if fewer Americans are in the most dangerous area they have to defend themselves with fewer people. You stupid fuck!

ALH said...

I think Biden is blustery enough to satisfy his base, even though half of what he's saying is complete bullshit. And crazy enough to scare people who are on the fence.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

The only way poor Obama and poor Biden have a chance is if the hack moderators are fighting along with them.
Pathetic.

TWM said...

I wish Biden would stop calling people his friends. I doubt he has any at all and certainly not Romney and Ryan.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Just got home. Was out with friends. What'd I miss?

Ryan has done better than Romeny!

LilyBart said...

I don't blame him though.

I do. He's a heartbeat away from the presidency and he's a raving lunatic.

Shouting Thomas said...

Biden is really starting to flail. He's losing control.

And, I agree that we don't need any more wars.

bagoh20 said...

"So suppose on December 31st of 2013 we have an insurgency that decides to attack our interests and bases.."

Which is exactly what they will do as a kick in our ass out the door. It's the strong horse move, and they will love it. This administration is full of fools.

Gary Kirk said...

I imagine Joe is booked for The View tomorrow. Right?

Anonymous said...

BIDEN IS SO GOOD THAT RYAN'S PANTS ARE TOTALLY WET. ONLY A DRYER WOULD BE OF USE.

Pastafarian said...

Did that idiot just say that Syria is five times the size of lybia "geographically"? Because I'm pretty sure Lybia is six or seven times bigger.

Paul said...

Ryan is keeping his cool.

As Sun Tzu says, Never interfere with an a opponent that is destroying himself.

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