October 12, 2012

"White House: Obama and Biden were never aware of requests for more Benghazi security."

Josh Rogin at Foreign Policy reports (after his earlier post "Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security," which I discussed at length earlier this morning). Rogin interviewed Deputy National Security Advisor for Communications Ben Rhodes, asking him "whether Biden was speaking for the entire Obama administration, including the State Department." What Biden said was: "We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there."
Rhodes said that Biden speaks only for himself and the president and neither of them knew about the requests at the time.

The State Department security officials who testified before House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa's panel Wednesday never said they had made their requests to the president, Rhodes pointed out. That would be natural because the State Department is responsible for diplomatic security, not the White House, he said. Rhodes also pointed out that the officials were requesting more security in Tripoli, not Benghazi.
So here's the harmonization that is supposed to save Biden from the charge of lying. When Biden said there would be an investigation into the security lapses and Raddatz (the moderator) interjected "And they wanted more security there," Biden said:
Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view.
That's not a lie because Biden was only talking about himself and President Obama. "We" means just Obama and Biden, per Rhodes. But then what do we make of the line "we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew"? And "That was the assessment"? If Biden knows now that wasn't the assessment and he and the President were not told what the intelligence community knew, he can't truthfully assert that "we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew"... unless you lay a whole lot of weight on the words I just boldfaced. That is, he was cleverly refraining from saying that the intelligence community told us what they knew. We heard what they told us they knew... and they were not telling the truth. They knew other things, but they didn't tell us. But what they told us, they told us they knew.

NOTE: There's another out: the scope of the term "intelligence community."

AND: Another out stresses the word "there" in Biden's "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security there." As Rhodes points out: the requests were for more security in Tripoli and the attack occured in Benghazi.

IN THE COMMENTS: Shouting Thomas said:
Uh... yeah... But, how does that explain the prompt production of the "offensive" video as the reason for the attacks?
Here's my theory. It was 9/11, the last 9/11 before the election, and Obama wanted to do something 9/11-y. His people dug up this offensive video on YouTube for Obama to talk about in some eloquent mishmash that would somehow make him sound like a leader who has made a wonderful connection to the Muslim world. Then the al Qaeda attack occurred in Libya, taking over the 9/11 spotlight, interfering with Obama's planned message, and even tainting his legend as The Man Who Shot Bin Laden. A decision was made to absorb the Libya attack into the planned 9/11 story. It was a bad decision, but they doubled down on it anyway. The election was so close, and the truth could be sorted out later.

106 comments:

Shouting Thomas said...

Uh... yeah...

But, how does that explain the prompt production of the "offensive" video as the reason for the attacks?

The Obama admin did produce an explanation immediately.

It was the video!

That sort of hints that they knew they had something to cover up, doesn't it? Why produce a cover up story that has no substance if there isn't anything to cover up?

Lawyer Mom said...

Thanks for this. Bungling the bungle -- it was the biggest story out of the debate, in my view.

bagoh20 said...

Well it is true that Biden can say "I didn't know..." and probably never be lying.

Larry J said...

So, the Intelligence Community bungled the situation in Libya, but they'll be sure to know the exact moment when Iran starts working on a nuclear weapon? Right.

Biden is one heartbeat away from being in charge of America's nuclear arsenal. Sleep tight with that thought in your ming.

TWM said...

Doesn't matter whether Barry or Biden knew personally. They are in charge. The buck stops there. Why have they not fired people? Why are they not outraged? Why are they such fucking pussies?

Steven said...

Obama didn't do anything wrong, see, it was just the people working for him who screwed up. Sure he appointed them, but they had to be confirmed by the Senate. So, really, the Senate is at least as much to blame as he is.

David said...

So why were they not told? I can see that before the fact this request would not have reached the President and Vice President. But after the fact a curious and engaged chief executive would have learned this right away. But Obama was not curious and engaged. Nor was Biden. Willful blindness is not a defense.

Cosmic Conservative said...

By saying this Biden has simultaneously thrown the State Dept. and the CIA under the bus. Hillary has to be seething. You have to wonder if the CIA is preparing a slew of damaging leaks against Obama-Biden.

But the question that NOBODY is asking is "was the potential danger to our embassy and consulate in Libya covered in any of the daily intelligence briefings that Obama passed up to go golfing or to party with Sarah Jessica Parker?"

Aridog said...

Even more ridiculous is General Martin Dempsey, Chairman Joint chiefs of Staff, clinging to that video did it story for over a week.

When your military is sucked in, you are so to be screwed yourself. It is not possible to have a more naive administration, with less experience in anything productive, than what we have now.

The minute almost any PFC past or present heard about mortars in the attack, said PFC knew it wasn't spontaneous.

No one in government did? Even a four star general?

Please.

Just, puleeze.

That wet drizzle you feel on your leg is not rain...guess what it is?

Shouting Thomas said...

Now that we know that the "offensive" video was just a decoy, you've got to wonder.

How in the hell did the Obama admin seize on this particular video for their disinformation campaign?

Shouting Thomas said...

The fury with which Stephanie Cutler filibustered on Fox News, in an effort to avoid answering any direct question about the Benghazi attack suggests to me that the Obama admin is in even deeper shit here than we think.

Much more to come.

Lem said...

At the Obama WH the buck stops at State.

Boxty said...

Obama has missed more than half of his daily national security briefings. Maybe that's why he never heard the request for more security in Benghazi.

Original Mike said...

"The State Department security officials who testified before House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa's panel Wednesday never said they had made their requests to the president, Rhodes pointed out. That would be natural because the State Department is responsible for diplomatic security, not the White House, he said."

I bet they give Hillary a pillow as they throw her under the bus. Rank does have its privileges.

Aridog said...

Cosmic Conservative said...

But the question that NOBODY is asking is "was the potential danger to our embassy and consulate in Libya covered in any of the daily intelligence briefings that Obama passed up to go golfing or to party ..."

No matter, he didn't attend them, or IMO, read them either. If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?

Obama actually expects his sundry Czars and advisors, none elected, to handle literally everything, without exception. No stain is to be wrought upon the royal ermine.

EMD said...

Shouldn't people somewhere be getting fired for this?

mccullough said...

I don't think "the intelligence community" is going to back Obama or Biden on this. According to Biden, the "intelligence community" told the President that the murder of the ambassador arose from a protest of a You Tube video. And then "the intelligence community" changed their assessment later on. They're not going to take the fall here.

Bender said...

It is hard to know anything when you purposely avoid having daily national security briefings.

This is supposed to be a good excuse?

This only damns them further.

AllenS said...

IIRC, Ambassador Stephens requested more security. He wasn't stationed in Tripoli, but Benghazi. I'm not going to spend the time to look it up, but I can't remember any reported conversations eminating from Tripoli regarding security. One or two more weeks of this and it will be a full blown clusterfuck. If it isn't already.

Darcy said...

So you can sleep through while your ambassador and others are missing and being brutally murdered after an attack, fly off to Vegas the next day for a fundraiser and then claim you weren't briefed?

That's gonna fly? I keep envying this gig.

Amartel said...

Unbelievable. As in "can not be believed" unbelievable.

Dissembling. Prevarication. Lies.

Like the convenient BLS numbers the other day which didn't exclude (they just didn't INclude) a "large state" (California).

Madness.

But, hey, do feel free to keep calling attention to the lies by relying on tortured semantics and pathetic fantasies featuring the most Competent Intelligent Administration Ever that doesn't have the first clue about anything.

J Scott said...

Bill Clinton has got these guys so tied up right now. You can just imagine Obama and Biden trying to figure out just how to throw Hillary under that bus but they know that if they did that ole Bill would tear down their entire administration. I said years ago that the Clinton's and their subordinates were sucking all the air out of the Democratic party, leaving it weak, and sure enough that's what happened.

Shouting Thomas said...

That's gonna fly? I keep envying this gig.

Obama's black. We've gotta atone for racism.

TosaGuy said...

"There are a lot of layers of people between the folks on the ground and the Vice President. That request could have been knocked down at any level and Biden would be saying the truth."

The buck evidently stops somewhere in the bureaucracy.

deepelemblues said...

Bull. Shit. They didn't know. What fucking ever.

The Democrats are two steps away from total desperation and it's showing. They're breaking up.

Aridog said...

Lem said ...

"At the Obama WHthe buck stops at State.

Fixed that with an illustration :-))

exhelodrvr1 said...

It's pretty simple - if they really weren't aware of the situation, then the blame rests completely on the State Department, and Hillary needs to be fired.

Of course, that just makes the overall incompetence of this administration more obvious, which is why they are trying to sweep this under the rug for another 4 weeks.

Cosmic Conservative said...

There are three major scandals involved here.

1. This administration ignored/refused repeated requests for additional security coming from multiple sources including the ambassador himself, the head of his security detail and the chief security officer in Libya. This at the same time that the administration was spending millions at other embassies for such trivial (but ideologically important) things like installing charging stations for Chevy Volts purchased by tax dollars. This is a major scandal all on its own.

2. When the attack occurred the administration used it as an opportunity to harass a law-abiding US Citizen exercising his First Amendment rights and lied to the world about what happened, event to the point of sending out our UN ambassador to prevaricate boldly on national TV talk shows. Obama was still promoting this lie when he gave his UN speech where he attacked "those who would slander and insult Islam." Hillary repeated the lie as she stood by the dead body of Chris Stevens. To call this shameless would be the understatement of the millennium.

3. The administration has, to this day, over FIVE WEEKS LATER still done NOTHING about the attack. Nothing. The rest of the world is watching as the US has allowed the assassination of one of their ambassadors and seen this administration take NO SUBSTANTIVE RESPONSE to the attack. All they've seen is lies and misdirection as Obama desperately tries to manage his campaign instead of run this country.

But as I've said for years. There is no difference between the Obama Campaign and the Obama White House. They are now, and have always been, one and the same.

Matthew Sablan said...

It matters how you define "We." And "there." And "more security."

furious_a said...

Shorter Obama/Biden/Hillary:
The people I hired and for whose job performance I am responsible ate my homework.

At least the Obama Administration was able to round up some Marines for Amb. Stevens' and the other fallen Americans' as pallbearers. I'll give them that.

furious_a said...

At the Obama WH the buck stops at State.

...and at State, the buck stops with "the Intelligence Community".

Askance said...

It is doubtful that Biden is lying about it. Such a coverup and deception would make no sense and would be highly risky.

It is simply damning that they did not know. It's their job to know. This is a critical part of the world, and the ambassador is not merely a minor civil functionary or a front-line soldier. An ambassador is a personal representative of our government and our executive. It is the responsibility of the president to ensure that an ambassador is properly secured.

With regard to any claims of budget cuts -- if the executive could not afford to have a secure embassy there, then they should not have had an embassy there. The president cannot control how much money congress allocates, but he has full control over where he sends ambassadors, troops and other agents of the government. He is responsible for their safety and the success of the missions he assigns to them.

Kevin said...

Nobody could have reasonably expected a United States diplomatic site in a Muslim country in the Middle East with roving bands of heavily armed partisans and little central authority might need extra security on SEPTEMBER 11.

Patrick said...

Just in case anyone missed what Boxty said, I'll reprint it.

Obama has missed more than half of his daily national security briefings. Maybe that's why he never heard the request for more security in Benghazi.

Lem said...

So let me see if I can follow this...

Obama knew about an anti-Muslim video on the internet, but did not know his ambassador was naked in the middle of an Al Qaeda hive... on the anniversary of 9/11?

This doesn’t pass the Biden laugh test.

Indigo Red said...

And we are still supposed to believe the White House will know when Iran has an atomic bomb.

gmama3 said...

Yet he claims they can rely 100% on intelligence reports on Iranian nukes.

chickelit said...

EMD said...
Shouldn't people somewhere be getting fired for this?

Cutt'er loose

David said...

The question is whether that consulate should have been open at all. State is covering itself by saying that the attack was unprecedented. Modestly increased security would not, in their view, have made a difference.

Do we have unprotected missions in Alexandria? In Iraq cities outside Bagdhad? In the Sudan? (Are we even in the Sudan?)

The whole thing was not thought through from the get go.

AJ Lynch said...

Biden's claim is so reassuring that the White House did not pay extra attention to one of the world's current trouble spots.

EMD said...

Obama knew about an anti-Muslim video on the internet, but did not know his ambassador was naked in the middle of an Al Qaeda hive... on the anniversary of 9/11?

This is shitastic on so many levels.

EMD said...

Is it ironic the only person in custody is the filmmaker whose film didn't cause the attack?

Aridog said...

Vis a vis Iran and a Nuke.

Everyone in government keeps saying that even if Iran gathers up enough enriched Uranium 235 they still don't have a device to use it in...yada yada.

Ignorance is unlimited. This administration is proof.

The bomb dropped on Hiroshima (Little Boy) was a "gun barrel" type of bomb ...AND it had never been tested before it was dropped, unlike the bomb for Nagasaki (Fat Man), tested in the Trinity Tests.

The basic device for a gun barrel nuclear device/bomb can be made by almost anyone, and can be set up in a boat, car, or ordinary rocket. It was so simple, even in 1945, that they didn't bother to test it.

K-BLAM.

Original Mike said...

"Biden's claim is so reassuring that the White House did not pay extra attention to one of the world's current trouble spots."

One of the problems with leading from behind is that it's difficult to see what's going on up front.

Seeing Red said...

Via Insty:

In fact, Corker explained that the U.S. government had information for some time about the internal security breakdown in Libya. He noted that Foreign Relations Committee had hearings in which the Libyan security situation was referenced. But the administration, Corker believes, still clung to the story that Libya was doing just fine. He said, “That narrative is the reason you are seeing the administration acting the way it is.”

Hagar said...

I would say curiouser and curiouser.

And Biden still could not tell Tripoli from Benghazi last night?

Aridog said...

David said ... The whole thing was not thought through from the get go.

IMO, yes it was, the weakness was intentional to demonstrate our "re-set" policies ... this administration just does not care who dies for them, or where.

As others have mentioned, we have USMC guards in Vienna, Austria, Secret Service guards for an unelected Presidential advisor, in Washington DC, but we've got no security for Libya after a rebellion, and withdrew what little we had initially.

The nobody know nuttin' meme is the biggest lie yet. Even now, as we speak, somebody somewhere in government is saying: "See, Ambassador's Stevens death proves we aren't aggressive, that we're kinder/gentler ...he died for our cause."

Well bless his heart. Bet he didn't know that.

Sloanasaurus said...

Remember Hurricane Katrina and how the media and the democrats held Bush responsible for all of the activities of his subordinate agencies - i.e. FEMA.

I don't recall Bush trying to blame everything on FEMA. He took responsibility.

Why isn't the media holding Obama responsibile for the faiulure with Bengazi. How can Biden get away with blaming it on his subordinates.

Wh

CWJ said...

For this to fly, the American people would have to accept that it is reasonable for the POTUS and VPOTUS to have no more knowledge of the world than the man on the street.

Even so, its an odd way for Biden to phrase it, if he is not actually trying to deceive.

Plausible deniability and definition if "is" all over again.

Richard Dolan said...

"There's another out ...."

Well, that would be par for the course with Team O -- focus on finding a "way out" by blaming someone else. Unfortunately for them, the designated fall guys don't seem overly interested in taking the fall. State Dept lifers are already pushing back hard, and the intel guys won't be far behind. And I think it is beyond parody if their defense will turn into a version of "the meaning of 'is'".

Team O hasn't learned that, when you're in a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. Well, it looks like they've finally found a shovel ready project that they believe in.

Alex said...

So the defanged CIA is to blame, but we're supposed to trust it to stop Iranian nuclear weapons?

J Scott said...

Regarding Iranian nukes, I really wish Ryan had pointed out last night that the same people that are supposed to know about Iranian nukes are the ones that colossally failed to forsee when Pakistan tested theirs in 1998.

carrie said...
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carrie said...

Now we know why Obama skipped all of those briefings--he wanted to be in a position to deny everything.

Larry J said...

J Scott said...
Regarding Iranian nukes, I really wish Ryan had pointed out last night that the same people that are supposed to know about Iranian nukes are the ones that colossally failed to forsee when Pakistan tested theirs in 1998.


And the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, the Berlin Wall coming down and the Soviet Union coming apart.

The Intelligence Community is very big, consisting of a bunch of TLAs (Three Letter Acronyns such as CIA, NSA, DIA, NGA, etc.). With so many agencies, they're big on reaching a consensus for everything. The consensus tends to be the lowest common demoninator for what each TLA believes. As a result, they tend to miss a lot of important stuff.

carrie said...

Also, even if it is true that no one told Obama and Biden---given the events in the Middle East, and Libya in particular, you would think they would have(or at least our Commander in Chief would have) taken it upon themselves to inquire asked the diplomatic posts in Libya, and whether they were adequately protected. Shouldn't Obama have at least been concerned about that?

traditionalguy said...

So it's Petraeus that the Dems want to take the fall.

He was the Surge man who showed them all up in Iraq by winning. And then he was sent into the sure to fail and unwinnable Afghan theater. Now he is being measured for the a loser as a CIA Director.

The Dems sure are a bitter bunch who never forget to get revenge on anyone for showing them up.

grackle said...

We have not heard from Hillary Clinton since the hearings but I cannot imagine Ms. Clinton will take the blame. I think the fiasco will be blamed entirely on Charlene Lamb and possibly Patrick Kennedy. If Ms. Lamb took it entirely on her own authority to deny the repeated requests for more security then she is very vulnerable.

She looked very worried during the hearings, even at times positively frightened. Perhaps she was realizing for the first time just how much trouble she is in.

I believe that in denying the requests that Lamb was probably only doing what she thought was her superiors' wishes but if she doesn't have some saved memos or emails from higher-ups specifically forbidding her from providing the requested security she is toast.

Regarding Iranian nukes, I really wish Ryan had pointed out last night that the same people that are supposed to know about Iranian nukes are the ones that colossally failed to foresee when Pakistan tested theirs in 1998.

In fact our intelligence agencies have NEVER been able to predict nuclear capability. Their score is a perfect zero. Starting way back with the Soviet Union and extending though ALL the governments that have since nuked up(China, Pakistan, India, Israel, France, UK, N. Korea, etc.) the US intelligence community has been surprised by events each time.

McTriumph said...

The 3:00AM call came, Obama and Hillary didn't pick up. Obama according to reports was briefed on the Benghazi attack and went to bed without knowing the ambassador's whereabouts. He had to get his sleep for a meeting of national importance in Las Vegas the next day.
But, did Hillary not pick up? At State and the intelligence community they watched the attacks real time on satellite. Who decided to lie about the protest turning to attack. Did Hillary mislead Obama or did Obama get Hillary to lie?

Larry J said...

McTriumph said...
The 3:00AM call came, Obama and Hillary didn't pick up. Obama according to reports was briefed on the Benghazi attack and went to bed without knowing the ambassador's whereabouts. He had to get his sleep for a meeting of national importance in Las Vegas the next day.


When the 3 AM call came, someone said, "Wake the Fuck Up!"

Instead, they let Obama sleep.

edutcher said...

If you've ever seen those "Surviving The Cut" documentaries where they take you through the various elite schools (Ranger, SF, Night Stalker), the instructors pound home to the men they always have to be aware of what's going on - always know how many men made it across the road; it's not the responsibility of the platoon sergeant or the squad leaders - it's that of the man in charge.

Joe's answer proves he's not fit for the job and neither is Commandante Zero.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Askance,
"It is doubtful that Biden is lying about it. Such a coverup and deception would make no sense and would be highly risky"

THis is the same man who lied on TV last night about his votes on Afghanistan and Iran. Their experience is that the great majority of the time, they get away with it, so why not take the chance?

Astro said...

So either -
The administration has lost control of the State Dept., or
The State Department doesn't trust the administration, or
The administration is telling a bald-faced lie, or
The administration is throwing Hillary Clinton under the bus.

Multiple guesses are allowed.

Bruce Hayden said...

Obama didn't do anything wrong, see, it was just the people working for him who screwed up. Sure he appointed them, but they had to be confirmed by the Senate. So, really, the Senate is at least as much to blame as he is.

We hired them, Obama and Biden, to run the government, not to fly around in their private jets, use their private helicopters, have their own band, with own tribute song, just to play golf a lot with Hollywood celebrities. And, they are essentially admitting that they have not done the basic function of their jobs, but want to get another 4 years of benefits.

I think the obvious retort to that is that we need to give some people a chance at the job, who seem more determined to perform the duties and accept the responsibilities of the job, than merely enjoy the benefit of the job.

That said, the other problem with this is that the libs/Dems seem to believe that government is the solution to most of our problems - yet seem incapable of running the government that they have now. Do they seriously think that they would do a better job managing an even bigger government?

Amartel said...

The basis for the lie that the Benghazi attack was a protest demonstration over a video that got out of control was a series of intercepted communications between al Qaeda and the local militants. One of the communications references the protests in Cairo. Hence the basis for the lie about a protest in Benghazi. The intercepted communications show that al Qaeda staged the terrorist attack in Benghazi.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/the-intel-behind-obama-s-libya-line.html
Summary at Ace's place.

The Obama Administration, including OBumble and OBlamer, knew at the time they were blaming the video that al Qaeda staged the terrorist attack in Benghazi. They knew and they lied about it, for political gain, so they could claim to be keeping America safe.

edutcher said...
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edutcher said...

Uh oh, Carney says Joe "wasn't talking about the administration writ large" .

Have fun under the bus, Joe.

McTriumph said...

Astro
Or Hillary is going to throw Obama under the bus, 2016?

If she continues with the "Story" she will have no future in politics.

furious_a said...

Shouldn't people somewhere be getting fired for this?

Come November, the pink slips start flying.

furious_a said...

So it's Petraeus that the Dems want to take the fall.

I hope Petraeus has his Langley predecessor's knife-fighting instincts, when Panetta hung Nancy Pelosi out to dry for all to see.

Petraeus has served this country too long and too well to end up taking the fall for this Clusterf*ck-amateur administration.

Fr Martin Fox said...

So when Biden (and presumably the President) answer questions and make statements that begin with "we," they don't mean their administration, and all those who will help them carry out their stated policies, they only mean those two people?

So that's the official line?

PatCA said...

So you are theorizing that Obama's people looked for and found the video prior to Cairo and Benghazi?!
I'm not following you.

Palmetto Patriot said...

"We weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again."

Biden's infamous seventeen words.

Texan99 said...

"So, the Intelligence Community bungled the situation in Libya, but they'll be sure to know the exact moment when Iran starts working on a nuclear weapon?"

How I wish Ryan had said exactly this.

Epiphyte - said...

"His people dug up this offensive video on YouTube for Obama to talk about in some eloquent mishmash that would somehow make him sound like a leader who has made a wonderful connection to the Muslim world."

Wrong.

Obama and HRC had made promises to Erdogan, the OIC and various members of the muslim bortherhood pursuant to the implementation of Res. 16/18 to publically "shame" those who were critical of islam (amd if you don't think this is a huge deal to those guys, you have no idea what motivates them). Choosing this occassion to display the administration's "outrage" at an islamophobic copt had the added benefit of (apparently) causally related riots, mahem, property damage and murder as the "outcome" of the defamatory speech. I remember seeing various TV announcing piling abuse on the poor sap because of all the alleged "problems' he had caused with his "hateful speech."

Obama and crew thought it would be a double win.

Blue@9 said...

Shorter Carney:

"There's no such thing as an "Administration." Barry and Joe are just two normal dudes who happen to hang out in a big white house in the middle of Washington. They don't know nuthin' bout this Libya stuff."

Lem said...

Team O hasn't learned that, when you're in a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. Well, it looks like they've finally found a shovel ready project that they believe in.

Hit back twice as hard!

Cedarford said...

Boxty said...
Obama has missed more than half of his daily national security briefings. Maybe that's why he never heard the request for more security in Benghazi.

========
No, that is low level shit.
The President doesn't get into the minutea of security requests, Base PX inventory levels, complaints of Housing that Section 8 energy costs need more resources.

Lem said...

A decision was made to absorb the Libya attack into the planned 9/11 story. It was a bad decision, but they doubled down on it anyway. The election was so close, and the truth could be sorted out later.

Obama did say he would have more flexibility after the election.

gmama3 said...

Hillary and Bill will bury Obama Biden. This is going to get ugly. HIllary won't fall on her sword for them, especially as they free fall in the polls.

Big Mike said...

... the libs/Dems seem to believe that government is the solution to most of our problems - yet seem incapable of running the government that they have now. Do they seriously think that they would do a better job managing an even bigger government?

Astounding as it may seem to you, Bruce, the answer is that the libs/Dems cannot grasp the reality that they are bungling the management of our present government. One must have faith!

Seeing Red said...

Barry's trying to throw Hillary under the bus?


GET YOUR POPCORN!

Seeing Red said...

When they fail, it's "too big."

No, they're too small.

Seeing Red said...

I don't think this is the October Surprise they had planned.


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Seeing Red said...

IF they try and sink Hillary with this, what will the Pumas do?

McTriumph said...

Reports are that Bill Clinton is seeking legal advice on how Hillary should handle being thrown under the bus. The problem is, what if the House calls on her to produce memos. Should she fall on her sword for Obama, thus destroying her political future. Obama has her cornered, If she dumps on Obama and he loses the election the rank and file Dem base will punish her in 2016. Serves the Clintons right for selling out to help the Black Nixon get elected in 2008.

chickelit said...

McTriumph speculates: Obama has her cornered, If she dumps on Obama and he loses the election the rank and file Dem base will punish her in 2016.

Maybe, maybe not. Also, some ex-Dems Independents (there are a lot) might reward such unusual candor.

gmama3 said...

Well there is no advantage to helping Obama by falling on her sword, she'll be considered incompetent and the reason Obama lost. Bill and Hillary could spin it as their patriotic duty or something.

Seeing Red said...

IF anyone knows the coverup is worse it's Hillary, they're Nixon babies.

Barry or the party?


Tough decision.

How will they be remembered in history?

McTriumph said...

There was a time the Democrats would reward a whistleblower for the good of the country. Much like the Republicans turned on Nixon.

MayBee said...

About the movie- during the day, before Stevens was killed, the Cairo embassy was being harassed by someone about the movie.

That's when the denounced the movie. They (the Cairo embassy) also said they worked very hard to tell people Islam is a great religion.

I don't know, there have just been so many weird things about Obama and Islam- his NASA chief saying his mission was to make Muslims recall what a big part of science they've always been, Obama saying the future must not belong to those who blaspheme the prophet.
I don't know what his angle is. It wouldn't surprise me if he'd ignored Libya's hardships, wanted to use it as a showpiece for his foreign policy, and truly believed a movie would be blasphemous enough to bring about such a result.
He is maybe just not that interested in the real world.

(remember, this is a guy who tried to tell Africans that AlQaeda is a racist organization as a method to dissuade them from joining)

AllenS said...

The Clintons are in no trouble. No trouble at all. If there are two people in this country, exposed to the media, who will lie, and lie right to the face of the nation without any remorse at all, it's these two.

Susan Rice? No, not her either, she's black. Maybe some underling, but nobody else. I think that they'll do what they've done so far, and put off/change direction until the election is over.

CWJ said...

Cedarford@4:22

In general yes, these decisions would be low level stuff.

But we are not talking security for Luxemberg. This is Libya for crying out loud.

This is a country into which Obama personally stuck his foot with no cover from Congress. Having done so, its importance (if only to his reelection) is fourteen orders of magnitude greater than the PX inventory example you gave. OK, can we agree on that?

That said, he may not be making the individual decisions, but by god if I were him, I'd surely have a raft of administration proticals written down, promulgated, and in place for people to follow to make sure that events there would not come back to bite me.

That he allowed State to treat Libya as if it were Luxemburg is ON HIM.

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jr565 said...

You can tell how big of a cluster fuck this is based based on the lack of commentary from the usual suspects. Where is Inga, where is a reasonable man? Etc.

hombre said...

Is this the same uninformed intelligence community telling them Iran isn't close to getting a nuke?

Btw, I was surprised to hear Biden "voted against" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who knew?

McTriumph said...

CJW
Perfect analysis, there are thousands of Marines all over the world protecting embassies like in Barbados. As important as Libya is to Obama's M E foreign policy, he gives Valerie Jarrett more protection than Ambassador Stevens.

Sammy said...

how about the fact that they purposely left the Ambassador with nearly no security..

He had no American security it was all Libyan militas , in his own diary the Ambassador was worried about his lack of security, the State department twice denied extra secriuty, and in August removed the last of the Special forces security .... the 2 former special ops weren't his protection , they came from cross town heard the American Ambassador was under threat and ran to help, the other American who died was a computer specialist ...

Next it wasn't just Libya they had protesters in 30 countries overtaking 10 American Embassies ... And many rioters were screaming Obama there are 1billion Osma's... Nothing to do with the democrats spiking the ball for the last year.

And all this just after Obama was going to run as the foreign policy President.... As if ignoring all the world problems and leading from behind( his ass) is a foreign policy doctrine.

fast & furious


.... Now Benghazi .... Both gross negligence and incompetence... That has lead to the deaths of Ameticans Then the cover ups..... Watergate had no dead bodies... But unfortunately for Nixon a R behind his name.

EMD said...

"So you are theorizing that Obama's people looked for and found the video prior to Cairo and Benghazi?!
I'm not following you."

That's pretty wacky reasoning. I don't think that happened.

The video was seen, and stoked the fire, but had nothing to do with the actual events that occurred in Benghazi.

It just became convenient to lean on the video as a cover-all explanation for the violence.

hombre said...

It is now almost universally agreed that there was no demonstration in Benghazi. Are we supposed to believe that "the intelligence community" just made that story up out of whole cloth? Puh-leeze!

SukieTawdry said...

The administration knew from the beginning it was a planned al-Qaeda attack. They did not want an al-Qaeda attack on the anniversary of 9-11 especially not after the president had all but declared the terrorist organization defeated.

At the same time, elements unfriendly to the US (which covers just about everybody in the area) wanted to gin up some Muslim protests to coincide with the 9-11 anniversary and incited the rabble by "releasing" a video that had been available on YouTube for months.

The administration seized on the demonstrations (especially those in Egypt where our embassy was breached) to forestall as long as possible discussion of (a) an al-Qaeda terrorist attack resulting in the assassination of our ambassador and three others and (b) the lax security measures that allowed such an attack to succeed.

Obama went over to State on 9-12 to personally let Hillary know that he was not taking the fall for this and if need be, she'd be tossed under the bus. Hillary agreed to go with the "offensive, disgusting video" obfuscation. "Intelligence" was set up to be the fall guy and the president's minions were dispatched.

Now it's all unraveling and Obama has to choose between bumbling ineptitude and willful ignorance. And what of Miz Hillary? Is there an underbus in her future or is she preparing a little coup of her own?

Seeing Red said...

Rumors:

“Recent documents unearth in Benghazi tell a story of an even greater sin committed by the Obama administration than incompetence. These newly discovered documents suggest that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on a mission to track and confiscate weapons that the administration had put in the hands of Al Queda when they thought they were arming the Libyan rebels.

donald said...

Um, we don't know. Fuck you America. Reelect Barack you racist bastards.

They think that is gonna work.

donald said...

Seeing red, that nut job Glenn Beck was discussing that within a couple of days of the rape and murders of our ambassadors and his people.

When this becomes an established fact, what will a horrified country do at that point if this monster is reflected?

McTriumph said...

The administration watch real time via security cameras at the embassy and drones overhead what actually happened in Benghazi, then they lied to us.

Hassell Anderson said...

So the Obama administration is now pleading ignorance for the security failures in Benghazi and the discredited malarkey about the YouTube video.

Given this claim of ignorance, one has to wonder if the scope of Obama's ignorance is confined to what happened in Libya, or whether his ignorance encompasses every other aspect of foreign policy and national security.