November 1, 2012

Did Chris Christie "sudden love-in" with Obama hurt Mitt Romney?

"Sudden love-in" is the Washington Post's terminology.
There is no professed motivation for Christie’s newfound feelings for the president, other than that the two men are now partners in a massive effort to rebuild his state. Asked about the election on “Fox & Friends,” Christie said, “I have no idea, nor am I the least bit concerned or interested,” adding: “If you think right now I give a damn about presidential politics, then you don’t know me.”
I want to say Chris Christie is saying and doing the right thing, not only morally and in his own political interest, but in the interest of Mitt Romney and the GOP. Saying it's not political and acting like politics are suspended, the best approach morally, happens also to be the best approach politically.

It's good politically because it's a vivid demonstration of devotion to public service and the capacity to rise about partisanship and do the things that need to be done.

Compare the Christie's interaction with Obama to the way Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco interacted with President Bush after Hurricane Katrina. Here's how Bush described some of it in his book "Decision Points" (at page 308-309):
The initial plan had been for me to land at the New Orleans airport, pick up Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin, and survey the damage on an aerial tour. But on the Marine One flight from Mississippi, we received word that the governor, mayor, and a Louisiana congressional delegation were demanding a private meeting on Air Force One first.

The tone started out tense and got worse. The governor and mayor bickered. Everyone blasted the Federal Emergency Management Agency for failing to meet their needs. Congressman Bobby Jindal pointed out that FEMA had asked people to email their requests, despite the lack of electricity in the city. I shook my head. “We’ll fix it,” I said, looking at FEMA Director Mike Brown. Senator Mary Landrieu interrupted with unproductive emotional outbursts. “Would you please be quiet?” I had to say to her at one point.


I asked to speak to Governor Blanco privately. We walked out of the conference room, through a narrow passageway, and into the small cabin at the front tip of Air Force One. I told her it was clear the state and local response forces had been overwhelmed. “Governor,” I pressed, “you need to authorize the federal government to take charge of the response.”

She told me she needed twenty-four hours to think it over.

“We don’t have twenty-four hours,” I snapped. “We’ve waited too long already.”

The governor refused to give an answer.

Next I asked to meet privately with Mayor Nagin. He had spent four days since Katrina holed up in a downtown hotel. He hadn’t bathed or eaten a hot meal until he used my shower and ate breakfast on Air Force One. In a radio interview the previous evening, he had vented his frustrations with the federal government. “Get off your asses and do something,” he said, “and let’s fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.” Then he broke down in tears. When I met him on the plane, Ray whispered an apology for his outburst and explained that he was exhausted.

I asked the mayor what he thought about federalizing the response. He supported it. “Nobody’s in charge,” he said. “We need a clear chain of command.” But only the governor could request that the federal government assume control of the emergency.
Maybe it makes you Mitt Romney supporters nervous to see Chris Christie working smoothly with President Obama. You need to visualize the alternative. Governor Christie is doing exactly the right thing.

Mitt Romney likes to portray himself as a Republican who can work "across the aisle," and Chris Christie is modeling that very behavior. Message: That's what Republicans do. That's a good message, speaking to the very moderates who might drift over to Obama if the Republicans created friction and rancor in the wake of the hurricane.

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sakredkow said...

Sorry Drago, I hadn't seen you already pulled the quote up.

garage mahal said...

roger
An old friend of mine from up north raised coon hounds and entered them in treeing contests in TN and a few other places. These were not your average pets by any stretch. He showed me pics of dogs debarking trees way over 10 feet. Redtick hounds I believe. I don't think they killed the coons in the competitions, but I bet its fun as hell to hunt them with dogs.

Unknown said...

Cedarford - I couldnt tell, through the incoherence, if your post was meant as a joke. Did you really say something about what the GOP has to do to avoid being a "rump" regional party? Seriously? That's the friendly advice we heard all of 2009 from the left, just until the "rump party" went out and kicked the democrat asses up and down the country.

Nichevo said...

phx, a little hyperbole on the internets? Alert the media!

Anyway, as we all know, descendants never quite live up to their ancestors, so I don't really expect Obama to burn whole libraries all by himself. But the basic instinct to destroy fact and truth in favor of error and lies is there.

Srsly, phx, if we are being real here, how can you live with this Benghazi mess? Really?

Drago said...

phx: "Sorry Drago, I hadn't seen you already pulled the quote up."

no biggee.

dreams said...

In fly over country or at least where I'm from, drivers can take a nap at a red light before anyone will blow a horn, not so in NY or New Jersey so these people will have little patience with power outages and lack of gas.

sakredkow said...

Alert the media!

I already did Nichevo, and don't try to pull that crap again. Think of my 98-year-old neighbor. I don't play.

Maybe I'll stick in my two cents on Benghazi when I have more time to spend on serious posts. For now I don't have sufficient information on the right or wrong of Benghazi, or who was to blame. I believe the buck stops with Obama but that's not the same thing as identifying what the cause was.



Nichevo said...

Unknown, don't sweat it. C4 has a quota from his foreign false flag masters and is just chewing up electrons.

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mccullough said...

Unknown,

The GOP nominee is the former governor of Mass. Cedarford has a point. The types of candidates either party can have at the House level is different than at the Senator and governor level, which is different than the president level. Right now, each party has 2-3 people who could plausibly be President, not including Obama or Romney. Howard Dean and Rick Perry are not among them. Allen West will never be President. Nancy Pelosi will never be President. Jim Demint will never be President. Chuck Schumer will never be President.

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sakredkow said...

Or as my Republican friends tell me, "Not rushing to judgment is the same as being intellectually not curious."

dreams said...

"1000 Romney/Ryan signs in Waukesha County spontaneously combusted, mysteriously leaving behind 1000 ashholes."

So you're saying 1000 Romney/Ryan signs turn into Democrats.

Nichevo said...

phx, and why don't you have sufficient information on Benghazi? Could it be because the administration is desperate for you not to have that information?

C4 in his jerky way has laid out several parts of the mess which should be distasteful to anyone with our national interest at heart. any of which would seemingly be answerable with a little bit of candor by the person in charge. What we have gotten from the person in charge is "dog ate my homework," "find the real killers" type pap.

What, does that really seem that paranoid to you? As usual, for a mental exercise, try flipping it to your favorite bogeyman President like GW Bush, and see how you would feel if he laid out a similar line of patter for a similar incident.

Anonymous said...

Dreams, flaming Democrats? Hahahoho.

dreams said...

Coal stocks are up today, looks like Romney will win.

dreams said...

Flaming, all fired up to vote.

Michael said...

Garage: Coon hunting is without a doubt one of the most fun things you can do that is legal. I am sure there are people up your way that do it though I think it is dying out as a sport since it requires some considerable land to carry it out. I love hounds. Would never own one but love to be around them.

Black and tans and redbones I think are the ones I have chased after.

Roger J. said...

Garage--I am off again to the little red river tomorrow to make another go at brownies and rainbows--but as a wisconsin guy you may not be totally familiar with the activity known as coon hunting as practiced in the south.

In broad brush it consists of a fair amount of good all boys proceeding forth at night, and building a bon fire--Alcohol has been known to be involved. At some point the dogs are released and the good ole boys, who recognize their dogs baying, start placing bets on which dog will tree the coon first. Appropriate liquored up, the good ole boys stumble thru the woods trying to catch up to their dogs and the quarry. Hilarity ensures. I wont go into the end of the chase because it might offend sensibilies of liberals :)

Nichevo said...

just so, Roger, I saw that cartoon in Penthouse too.

Shouting Thomas said...

How did you guys find a way to argue about this post for 220 comments?

I congratulate you on your determination.

I can't find anything in this post to talk about.

Roger J. said...

Nichevo--never saw the cartoon in Penthouse--I only read penthouse for the articles, doncha you know. The Tennesee River Valley still has some coon hunting organizations, and it is appropriate that the coon dog memorial cemetary is located there. And the rules are strict: the dogs cannot have chased deer or possums, but only coons. And doping is, of course, not permitted.

Anonymous said...

Roger, what, do they end up shooting their toes off or something? Drunken shooting, sounds dangerous, but funny.

garage mahal said...

I wont go into the end of the chase because it might offend sensibilies of liberals :)

Not mine. I grew hunting just about anything that moved. I've shot coon but never hunted them with dogs. It sounds like an absolute riot. I did hunt a lot of snowshoe rabbits with the family beagles though. We had 80 acres and ran our dog and a few other beagles; there is not a sweeter sound than a beagle baying after it picks up the scent of fresh rabbit.

@Michael
Agreed. Even when I was younger running hounds seemed to die off, and also agree I would probably owning a hound again. Stubborn as a day is long, and bullheaded. We had one male who had real natural instincts and knew how to circle rabbits back to you. And we had one brown and white female, ironically names "Sugar", who was just mean as hell and couldn't hunt worth a shit.

Rusty said...

Shouting Thomas said...
How did you guys find a way to argue about this post for 220 comments?

I congratulate you on your determination.

I can't find anything in this post to talk about.


I know what you mean. I was going to say something snarky about coon (racist) hounds and the people that run them, but I remembered I'm a steelhead fisherman.

garage mahal said...

@Rusty
My nephew from Montana scoffs at us calling them steelhead. Since we have no ocean to run to, he thinks they shouldn't be called steelhead.

furious_a said...

there is not a sweeter sound than a beagle baying after it picks up the scent of fresh rabbit.

Amazing, something on which we can agree.

Roger J. said...

Inga--you violated the first rule of life: never ask the question if you can live with the answer--The coon is shaken or knocked down from the tree and the dogs finish it off. Guns are usually not involved at all.

Roger J. said...

Garage--you are correct--a steelhead is properly a sea run rainbow. BTW they are my favorite smoking fish and costco usually has beautiful farm raised steelhead fillets--as we said in the pacific NW: salmon for eating, steelhead for smoking.

Roger J. said...

And I might add, garage, in the puget sound area we got sea run cut throats--One hell of a fine fish on light fly rods. The experience in salt water toughens them up and makes them really feisty.

dreams said...

Amity Shlaes has written a lot about big government and her book on the great depression, The Forgotten Man, is especially recommended to the liberals who believe big government is the answer.
See quote below.

"Christie’s Bargain
Another scholar, Robert Higgs, has pointed out that the larger the government is, the more states kowtow to it. When federal money is available, whether from the Federal Emergency Management Agency or another source, only a foolish governor would ignore that cash. That is why New Jersey’s Chris Christie, a Republican, asked for help from the Army Corps of Engineers this week for beach restoration, and walked arm in arm with Obama. Natural disasters make even the feistiest Republican say, we’re all Democrats now. As the pundits are already saying, the proximity of Hurricane Sandy will probably help the party of larger government, President Obama’s."

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1-nfin&p=amity%20shlaes%20the%20forgotten%20man&type=nfin

dreams said...

"Christie’s Bargain
Another scholar, Robert Higgs, has pointed out that the larger the government is, the more states kowtow to it. When federal money is available, whether from the Federal Emergency Management Agency or another source, only a foolish governor would ignore that cash. That is why New Jersey’s Chris Christie, a Republican, asked for help from the Army Corps of Engineers this week for beach restoration, and walked arm in arm with Obama. Natural disasters make even the feistiest Republican say, we’re all Democrats now. As the pundits are already saying, the proximity of Hurricane Sandy will probably help the party of larger government, President Obama’s."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/disasters-create-bigger-not-better-government.html

dreams said...

The October jobs report comes out tomorrow and I expect it to be even more cooked than last month's 7.8% unemployment report. You know the jobs report that showed for the first time in four years that unemployment fortuitously fell below 8% and fortuitously just in time for the election.

Known Unknown said...

In my neighborhood, I saw a man take his Romney yard sign out of the ground, stab his children in the eyeballs with it, then his wife, then himself — blinding them all — because he couldn't stand to look at it anymore.


Rusty said...

garage mahal said...
@Rusty
My nephew from Montana scoffs at us calling them steelhead. Since we have no ocean to run to, he thinks they shouldn't be called steelhead.

I was told by a Wisconsin fisheries biologist that they(rainbows) only needed to migrate to a sufficiently large enough body of water to be called steelhead. So I'm going with that.

sakredkow said...

In my neighborhood, I saw a man take his Romney yard sign out of the ground, stab his children in the eyeballs with it, then his wife, then himself — blinding them all — because he couldn't stand to look at it anymore.

Who does he like for Assemblyman?

holdfast said...

As a CT resident, I have to say that my pinko liberal taxaholic Governor Malloy has actually done a pretty good job in this crisis. He deployed the Guard preemptively, shut the highways at the right time, and there's generally a pretty decent sense of order. CT's challenges are a fraction of those being faced by NYC and NJ, but they're a lot like those of Westchester Co., and we seem to be handling it better. Of course, we tend to lose power at least once or twice a year, so folks are actually prepared.

Christie and Bloomberg better keep their eyes on the ball - if they think the worst is over, they are very wrong. Things are going to get significantly uglier in the affected areas of NJ and NYC. Pretending like everything is back to normal (i.e. NY Marathon is not going to play well when Breezy Point looks like Dresden after a midnight visit from the RAF.

Amartel said...

The old lady who lives across the street uprooted her Obama/Biden 2012 yard sign and cast it out into the street, speaking thrice
I break with thee
I break with thee
I break with thee

Then a dog came by and pooped on it.

Then the local yutes set it afire.

chickelit said...

Inga said...
1000 Romney/Ryan signs in Waukesha County spontaneously combusted, mysteriously leaving behind 1000 ashholes.

This sort of thing is frowned upon in Dem circles because of the enormous carbon footprint it leaves.

Michael said...

Garage. Actually owning a hound explains everything! Only a stubborn and pigheaded man would be able to actually attempt to posess such a creature.

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Cedarford said...

Unknown -
As McCullough says, the Parties have to go into "the Rest of the Country" - meaning outside black cities/university enclaves or Southern evangelical Megachurch territory.
He is also right that most Dems and Republicans that tilt too far left or right are unelectable nationally. That includes MOST of the Tea Party people.

So for Republicans, it is a HUGE mistake to impose Religious Right purity tests on national candidates, or some Tennessean Tea Party person to demand that people in Maine start thinking like hillfolk.

Anonymous said...

CHRISTIE KISSING THE FEET OF OBAMA WAS THE MOST DISGUSTING DISPLAY BY A POLITICAL FIGURE I HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

CHRISTIE HAS NO CREDABILITY WITH ME ANYMORE. HE CAN'T SAY SQUAT ABOUT ABUSIVE GOV'T ANYMORE BECASUE HE DOVE IN THE PIG TROUGH WITH THE PIGS.
IF I HAD 1 WORD TO DESCRIBE CHRISTIE IT WOULD BE "ASSHOLE"

Saint Croix said...

For now I don't have sufficient information on the right or wrong of Benghazi, or who was to blame.

Well, obviously, Romney. Duh!

And I here I thought you read the newspapers.

Christoph Dollis said...
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Christoph Dollis said...

I'm inclined to strongly disagree, Ann, but then I respect your opinion a lot, so I'm reconsidering.

I think Christie went too far with his Obama love-in, but clearly he should be working productively with the man in a crisis.

Saint Croix said...

Jim Demint will never be President.

Ahhhh, that's crazy talk. It's like saying Palin is finished as a national candidate. Or that Palin sunk McCain!

The right hates Obama, and so we're backing Romney. I even have high hopes for Romney.

Assume Romney wins. What if he's a deal-making moderate who gets along with the liberals way too easily? What if our debt hits $20 trillion while he's in office, or he raises taxes?

What happens? Romney gets a primary challenge from the right in 2016. And who will that be?

I think from Sarah Palin, who's out of office (and has nothing to lose) and is wildly popular with the populist wing of the Republican party. She's 48.

She will lose. To my knowledge, no sitting President has ever lost a primary fight.

But this loss (like Reagan losing to Ford in 1976) will just set the stage for Palin's run in 2020, when she's 56.

Or DeMint might make a primary challenge. (One of them would do it, not both). If Romney is a bad President (by Republican standards), there will be unhappiness on the right. And the one who makes a primary challenge in 2016 is the odds on favorite to be our nominee in 2020.

DeMint is 61. He would be 65 in 2016 and 69 in 2020.

I would say that Palin or DeMint are the odds on favorites to challenge Romney from the right.

Who has been pushing Tea Party candidates into office? Palin and DeMint.

DeMint has an active political organization, and has been instrumental in getting Tea Party people into the Senate. See, for instance, this article on Ted Cruz.

What about other Republicans? Neither Christie nor Jindal nor Rubio has the personality--or the ideological commitments--to give Romney a primary challenge in 2016.

Romney selected Paul Ryan as his running mate. If he has a successful 8 years in office, that makes Ryan the odds on favorite to be the Republican nominee in 2020. Right? See Nixon after Eisenhower or Bush after Reagan.

Picking Ryan made him the establishment choice for the Republican nomination after Romney. So if it's happy times for Romney, it will be Ryan.

But if it's bad, angry times, it will be Palin or DeMint as a primary challenger in 2016, and a serious candidate in 2020.

If there's no primary challenge in 2016, and Romney loses anyway, then it's wide open in 2020. Could be Ryan or Rubio or Christie or Jindal.

So a lot depends on Romney (obviously). But if he makes DeMint unhappy in the Senate, he might take their fight to a primary challenge. And if he doesn't, Palin will.

sakredkow said...

Palin is finished as a national candidate.

Unknown said...

Cedarford, Mcullough -

First, C4, let me say that referring to Southerners as hillbillies is just as smart as referring to northerners as atheist wimps. Just stick to geographic labels.

To your point - I dont disagree with you. A candiate must appeal to the entire country. That is why a guy like Mike Huckabaee will never win, because he appeals only to the religious. That was precisely my point about Christie. He appeals to only a certain segment of republicans, but not to the religious and values voters. That segment is even bigger - much biger, actually - than the rockefeller republican breed.

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