November 9, 2012

Petraeus resigns over an affair.

"After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours."

Imagine if this set an example for everyone, and every adulterer resigned from his/her job. Civilization would collapse, no? It would be worse than "going Galt" if everyone goes Petraeus.

It calls to mind the old "General betray us" ad, but he didn't betray us.

ADDED: Is the resignation really about the affair... or is it connected to Benghazi?

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Marshal said...

Inga said...
Marshal, no I did not, liar. Those who came here posting stupid shit from FAUX news were mocked. Commenters with sincere honest questions were in the same boat as I. I called for an investigation way back from the beginning of this whole issue.


You called for delay to push the issue past the election, and when the WAPO published their puff piece you pranced in glee as if it exonerated the administration.

Irene said...

Do people still think it's witty to say "Faux News"?

*winks*

Freeman Hunt said...

I think sophisticates tend to over-estimate the amount of adultery going on. Lots of people don't cheat, I think and hope.

I think so too.

I also think people are overestimating how well that is tolerated at the CIA.

Titus said...

Why resign?

Lem said...

I've never had an affair. Why are they so popular? They seem just awful on a person.

Ive read theories that it is in the nature of alpha males.

BTW.. Obama is no alpha male.

Titus said...

Why resign?

Marshal said...

bagoh20 said...
I've never had an affair. Why are they so popular?


Strange brings a rush or even euphoria missing from long acquaintance. Think back to the first time. Some people are addicted to that first rush, or maybe they just want to recapture that youthfulness.

Rick Caird said...

My guess is Petraeus was being blackmailed and, being an honorable man, chose to expose himself rather than wait for more blackmail.

pm317 said...

Only two option for Patraeus:

1. Cooperate on what they wanted or
2. out yourself and resign..

If he didn't do either, it would have been leaked and he would have to have resigned at the request of Obama. Obama would have made a big deal of it.

Coketown said...

My guess is Petraeus was being blackmailed and, being an honorable man, chose to expose himself rather than wait for more blackmail.

Please! There are ladies present.

(From Clue)

Baron Zemo said...

I sign on to the theroy that Obama was trying to blackmail him into "talioring" his testimony and by coming clean he can tell the truth.

I would just not go jogging in Fort Marcy Park if I were him. Just sayn'

Clyde said...

It had to have been a Democrat honeytrap operation. They kept him on the leash until after the election, then had him resign so he would be "unable" to testify, barring a subpoena. The CIA will say, "Gee, why do you need to talk to HIM? We have all of these other folks who will carry the administration's water for us."

Sorry to be so cynical, but I've seen Obama in action for almost four years. I know how they work, and I have no "hope" that they'll "change."

Willys said...

An English/French lady, Ann Mari de Cali. He has resigned to protect her honor. Don't wait for the book, it's about to be on TV.

bagoh20 said...

Thanks pm317. I rarely comment over there, but got tired of all the punditry passing on the blame to various competing theories when it just comes down to the fact that we are the crap we've been waiting for. Now were getting it.

Baron Zemo said...

In fact I would hope some of the special forces guys who served under him might get together and give him an informal bodyguard and check his vehicle and so forth.

Oh yeah and get a food taster.

edutcher said...

OT, but another interesting example of our new police state. Christie got his 30 pieces of silver, Garden state gets Dachau.

Or is it Stalag 13?

pm317 said...

It is like mafia or third world dictatorship.

Welcome to Hyde Park, our own little Kremlin on Lake Michigan.

bagoh20 said...

I've never had an affair. Why are they so popular? They seem just awful on a person.

Because you are what a real man is supposed to be and you'd die rather than hurt someone you love.

Irene said...

Do people still think it's witty to say "Faux News"?

These are the same people who revere Barack Hussein Obama.

Lem said...

Why resign?

Its has to do with his position as head of the CIA.

Quaint maybe but... it is what it is.

Santa Ana said...

Not clear on just how his testimony now as a “civilian” works. He won’t have access to any CIA documents to back him up, will he?

Baron Zemo said...

"Because you are what a real man is supposed to be and you'd die rather than hurt someone you love."

That is 100% right edutcher.

And I know that some of the libs here like garage mahal and MadisonMan would feel the same way.

There are honorable people on both sides of the aisle who value their marriage vows.

Bravo! I salute you!

Bob Ellison said...

"some of the special forces guys who served under him"

Not going there. Opps!

Eric said...

The problem with the idea of going Galt is that anyone valuable enough to hurt the system with their inactivity is just not cut out for it. Bees gotta buzz.

Yeah, but they might go buzz in another country.

Roger J. said...

This one stymies me--dont know what to think except this point to take Petraeus at his word.

Bob said...

For those why resign - polygraph! Either lying or affair pulls your security clearance.

Second not one f'ing word from a democrat! It was okay for Clinton so you got nothing to say.

I suspect if Libya hadn't gone to crap he would have just left after election. He did right thing resigning right after election but saying why.

Bob said...

For those why resign - polygraph! Either lying or affair pulls your security clearance.

Second not one f'ing word from a democrat! It was okay for Clinton so you got nothing to say.

I suspect if Libya hadn't gone to crap he would have just left after election. He did right thing resigning right after election but saying why.

Lem said...

I remember complaining/wishing that Benghazi had no sex angle, that it would be the only way the press could not ignore it.

Maybe I should dig it out... or should I wait until the theory pans out... All we have is theories at this point... A bunch o points that not necessarily connect, but if they did, what a story they would tell.

Sex, blackmail, betrayal, power/political intrigue and ultimately the deaths of four Americans.

Methadras said...

You can never truly know someone when they covertly engage in acts to deceive. Is his honor tied to his fidelity? Some would say yes. Has he stained that honor somewhat? Of course, but clearly not fully stained. Is this mistake irrepairable? That's going to be between he and his wife. The rest of us will have to measure that against our own foibles.

garage mahal said...

Allegedly it's Paula Broadwell, his biographer. Or so sez Slate.

Inga said...

Paula Broadwell, his biographer, under FBI investigation.

edutcher said...

Baron Zemo said...

Because you are what a real man is supposed to be and you'd die rather than hurt someone you love.

That is 100% right edutcher.

And I know that some of the libs here like garage mahal and MadisonMan would feel the same way.

There are honorable people on both sides of the aisle who value their marriage vows.

Bravo! I salute you!


thank you, sir, and I agree about garage and Madman.

PS and more OT (sorry, Ann):

A great line and a great attitude from the Anchoress:

I need to go to confession this Saturday, because just looking at Harry Reid was bad for my soul this morning.

Lem said...

Paula Broadwell, his biographer, under FBI investigation.

Atta gal... a worthy defense is one thats up with all the details... no matter where they might lead.

The Drill SGT said...

Bender said...
Petraeus retired from the U.S. Army on August 31, 2011.

Certainly if this misconduct began prior to that date, it is covered by the UCMJ. In theory anyway, to the extent that any of the rules apply to the guys at the top (I've read of other high-level guys who were caught, even while in service, and were allowed to quietly retire, pension intact, etc


somebody else noted the phrase after 37 years, and pointed to the fact that he'd been married more tan 38, so either

- he doesn't know how long he has been married, thus further pissing off the Frau, or
- the affair was in the window July 11 - july 12

Saint Croix said...

"Sweetie, I got to resign over this damn cover-up. It's a CIA thing. But I was wondering, uh, would you mind if I confessed to adultery? You know, announce it to the world? Thanks."

Saint Croix said...

"No, no, no, no, there's no adultery! I made it up. Totally made it up. It's for the media! Sweetie, open the door."

The Drill SGT said...

PS: Drill SGT never implied the Army would charge him, just that for other crimes it has gone after the accused, out of uniform.

chickelit said...

Lem said...
Paula Broadwell, his biographer, under FBI investigation.

Talk about stepping into the man's biography. Heisenberg would be very pleased.

Baron Zemo said...

See Doris Kearns Godwin re Lydon Baines Johnson.

pm317 said...

the Drill SGT:

- the affair was in the window July 11 - july 12
------------

if the affair was old, why now? weird timing.. why wait and now? (not the first to wonder about this).

Saint Croix said...

"No, no, no. That's a horrible idea. If we both commit adultery, we're going to look like a couple of free lovin' hippies. How the hell am I going to get a book deal if we're both committing adultery. Just one adultery per family. I mean, we don't want to be ridiculous. It's just a cover story."

Saint Croix said...

"What do you mean, you're adultery? You committed adultery?!"

pm317 said...

See Doris Kearns Godwin re Lydon Baines Johnson.

She probably looked more attractive in those days. I always wondered because of all her gushing if she had a crush on him and by golly, she does and did.

Saint Croix said...

"No, no, no. I commit adultery, not you. That's a horrible idea. It just is. I'm the dirty dog and you're the faithful spouse. Who's going to believe you cheated on me?"

Valentine Smith said...

drip

drip

drip

drip

nixon redux.

Saint Croix said...

"Honey, honey, okay, sorry, that came out wrong. I just thing I should be the cheater because that would give me a reason to resign. We got to cover up the government conspiracy, sweetheart. And if you cheated on me, why would I resign? That doesn't even make sense. Plus we already wrote the press release. And I told the President I cheated on you."

Baron Zemo said...

If you read the book she wrote about him it is pretty clear that he slipped her his branding iron down there on the ranch.

She was a young chick back then.

Plus LBJ loved the strange. He had a big thing with Moms Mabley.

Saint Croix said...

"No, we don't have to name her. Just some floozy. That's what I told the President. It was a hooker in Manila. But we don't say that to the press. We'll keep it classy. No cigars, no sodomy, no fat chicks. It'll be in and out of the papers in like a day. I promise."

BDNYC said...

Wait. So now, because of this, he won't have to testify?

Saint Croix said...

"It'll be like JFK. And you'll totally be like Jackie. Not Hillary. I promise. You won't even have to stand by my side."

Inga said...

BDNCY, was wondering the same exact thing, why would he not still testify?

pm317 said...

Wait. So now, because of this, he won't have to testify?

----------

Yes, Sherlock. Put 2 and 2 together.

Inga said...

He most certainly should still testify, he was the head of the CIA at the time of the incident, he shouldn't be exempt from testifying because he no longer is head of CIA.

I think he will still have to testify.

Coketown said...

Valentine Smith said...

drip

drip

drip

drip

nixon redux.


Drip

Drip

Drip

Drip

Clinton redux.

Roger J. said...

Doubtless the blogosphere is going nuts--it remains how this contretemps will be treated by the MSM.

Writ Small said...

ED: Is the resignation really about the affair... or is it connected to Benghazi?

If the administration supports Petraeus testifying and he does so and some of his testimony is at least mildly embarrassing to the Administration, then it was "just" an affair.

If Petraeus refuses to testify, we can safely assume Obama has photos.

Santa Ana said...

At Politico: A spokesman for the [Senate Intelligence] committee said acting CIA Director Mike Morell would testify Thursday in place of Petraeus, who resigned Friday after admitting to an extramarital affair.

chickelit said...

Baron Zemo said...

Plus LBJ loved the strange. He had a big thing with Moms Mabley.

Plus I heard he needed a scooch more room in his polyester slacks.

Inga said...

He can't refuse to testify, subpoena him. Or he will be in contempt and go to jail.

Roger J. said...

Inga--like Eric Holder has?

K in Colorado said...

The cynic in me might think that this might have been the reason why we heard not a peep out of the good general for a long time, and that the timing to come out with this on a Friday after the election is also a little strange. Given that using something like this as leverage is Chicago politics 101 (remember the sealed divorce records being opened to provide embarrassing evidence), the cynic in me is winning out over the other part that almost always says, nothing to see here, move on.

Oh, and Inga, what part of the reporting by Jennifer Griffin on Fox News was stupid s**t? Usual deflection, don’t talk to the substance of the reports, just attack the source. Even the Washington Post gave her a hat tip on the reporting of this.

el polacko said...

...so what prevents him from testifying next week as planned??
why is everybody just wiping their hands and saying "well that takes care of that" ? hmmmm?

Baron Zemo said...

It is interesting to spin a few scenarios about this.

For example:
What if Petraeus testifies that the Obama administration was pressuring him to testify a certain way about Benghazi or they would expose this affair?

You know that the libs here would have no problem with that. Or say that he was lying. So even when he resigned to tell the truth they would still smear him and destroy him and discount his testimony.

It's what they do.

Inga said...
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Santa Ana said...

And why couldn't he have resigned after he testified?

Inga said...

He is scheduled to testify on Thursday and just heard he will be there, reports that he isn't testifying are more rumors and conspiracy theories.

Titus said...

Wife is huge dog. So he worked his hog.

tits.

Ann Althouse said...

"I can understand how people who don't can think this is not a big deal. I mean you don't care about marriage and it doesn't mean anything to you."

I don't care about the speck in my brother's eye. Jesus told me to look to my own sins. As for what I believe about my own marriage... does Jesus want you to think about that? Let him who is without sin...

edutcher said...

el polacko said...

...so what prevents him from testifying next week as planned??

Absolutely nothing.

He could go as a civilian, rather than CIA director.

why is everybody just wiping their hands and saying "well that takes care of that" ? hmmmm?

If it doesn't, he'd have to meet with a Clintonesque "accident".

How close to Langley is Fort Marcy Park?

Baron Zemo said...

I don't doubt that he will testify but the substance of his testimony will determine the attacks that the Obama administration and it's minions will throw his way.

He is a soldier who has served his country and honored his oath for many years. Now he is trying to reclaim his honor and do the right thing.

This reminds me of the old novel and film "Advise and Consent."
I hope it does not have the same outcome as the novel.

K in Colorado said...

I think someone may have pointed this out earlier, but anyone in a security clearance post that is subject to anything that could be used as blackmail is a risk – affairs, in the closet, gambling debts, and so on. I have friends with security clearances, and I get interviewed by the FBI whenever their clearances come up for review – standard questions.

Also, I don’t know this, but isn’t adultery still an offense in the military code of justice? Just looked it up, Article 134 can cover adultery if it meets certain criteria, its not automatically an offense by itself.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Maybe he was having an affair with Hillary.

David said...

It's a chick named Paula Broadwell, a West Point grad and author of the general's bio.

Here's what Michael Hastings said in Rolling Stone early this year"

Broadwell’s contribution to the genre started brewing after she met Petraeus at the Harvard Kennedy School of government in 2006, while getting her master's degree. As she recalls in her book’s preface, the two hit it off, the general viewing Broadwell as "an aspiring soldier-scholar." Both were West Point grads, sharing interests in counterinsurgency and counterterrorism. They soon started emailing. "I took full advantage of his open-door policy to seek insight and share perspectives," she writes. In 2008, Broadwell began her doctoral dissertation, "a case study of General Petraeus’s leadership." After President Obama picked Petraeus, in June 2010, to take over the war in Afghanistan, she decided to turn the dissertation into a book. Petraeus invited her to Kabul, where she would spend several months "observing Petraeus and his team" and conducting "numerous interviews and email exchanges with Petraeus and his inner circle."

The result is a work of fan fiction so fawning that not even Max Boot – a Petraeus buddy and Pentagon sock puppet – could bring himself to rave about it, grouching in The Wall Street Journal about All In’s "lack of independent perspective" and the authors' tendency to skirt conflict.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/the-legend-of-david-petraeus-20120131#ixzz2BloXPX8q

David said...

Titus said...
Why resign?


Titus, this is something you definitely would not understand.

Saint Croix said...

Ok, look. Guys? Remember the conspiracy theory nuts of 2000 and 2004 who saw Bush's evil machinations in every little thing?

Are you suggesting this has nothing to do with Benghazi at all? That's hard to believe. The CIA is implicated in the biggest scandal in my lifetime, and the head of the CIA resigns? For personal reasons? After the election?

Rabel said...

He'll be covered by his non-disclosure agreement. All congressional testimony must be cleared by his former employer.

phx said...

I think someone may have pointed this out earlier, but anyone in a security clearance post that is subject to anything that could be used as blackmail is a risk – affairs, in the closet, gambling debts, and so on. I have friends with security clearances, and I get interviewed by the FBI whenever their clearances come up for review – standard questions.

Mine is a completely uninformed, intuitive response but that blackmail stuff might be effective at lower levels but I really doubt the head of the CIA could be blackmailed. Maybe someone with more experience or reading can tell us.

chickelit said...

Why would Patraeus thrust Broadwell in the midst of the spotlights?

caplight45 said...

"As for what I believe about my own marriage... does Jesus want you to think about that?"

If I was your pastor, yes. But alas, I am not so I shall think of other things.

Patrick said...

Mine is a completely uninformed, intuitive response but that blackmail stuff might be effective at lower levels but I really doubt the head of the CIA could be blackmailed.

Mine is just as uninformed and perhaps even less intuitive, but I do think the head of the CIA could be. It would take unusual circumstances, probably treason, but I do think it could happen. People that get to those levels are capable of lots.

To be very clear: I don't think that Petraeus could be successfully blackmailed. He's a good, decent guy, even if he made a mis-step like this.

kcom said...

"Sweetie, I got to resign over this damn cover-up. It's a CIA thing. But I was wondering, uh, would you mind if I confessed to adultery? You know, announce it to the world? Thanks."

That's the same move, with different details, that John Edwards' best buddy, Andrew Young pulled. "I am the father of that baby." No one believed it, and still his wife had to put up with the embarrassment.

Is Paula Broadwell the new Rielle Hunter? That book review certainly makes it sound like it. Rielle Hunter became John Edwards' official "videographer" to keep her close, so she could perform her more important duties. Now Petraeus has an official "biographer" who seems to be cut from the same cloth and kept close for similar reasons.

somefeller said...

The Broadwell bio of Petraeus is titled "All In". Heh.

edutcher said...

If you've seen pictures of her, Ms Broadwell (God, what a name; right up there with Lucy Banghard), she seems a little too Joan Collins for this scenario.

You want someone a bit more Susan Hayward or Barbara Stanwyck.

Or Glenn Close.

Another reason the whole thing smells.

Which typifies this Administration more with every passing second.

creeley23 said...

Anyone who believes that Petraeus just happened to make this announcement three days after the election and six days before the Benghazi hearings is dreaming.

There is much more going on here, whether we ever get the word or not.

My bet is that Petraeus was being blackmailed by the White House on account of Benghazi. Petraeus blew the blackmail up rather than be beholden to them. Who knows what happens next.

Obama = Nixon. This will not end well.

phx said...

@Patrick I agree. Although it seems less probable that a CIA director could be blackmailed over an affair. Other stuff more likely. I agree about Petraeus, too. Good guy, glad he is one of ours. It's not for me to judge him over this.

pm317 said...

Saint Croix said...

"No, no, no. That's a horrible idea. If we both commit adultery, we're going to look like a couple of free lovin' hippies. How the hell am I going to get a book deal if we're both committing adultery. Just one adultery per family. I mean, we don't want to be ridiculous. It's just a cover story."
-----------------------

Hey, did you know she is/was married? She is one hot chick (military AND Harvard, no less). Look at those shapely arms, man! Obama would leave his wife for them.

exhelodrvr1 said...

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/11/09/and-the-band-played-on/?singlepage=true

phx said...

I think some of you are basing your idea of reality on your reading of trashy spy novels.

But keep saying Obama is blackmailing Petraeus. You make the rest of us look brilliant.

gadfly said...

There was no girl friend - only an affair named Benghazi.

creeley23 said...

phx: You already make the rest of us look brilliant.

Peter Hoh said...

Steve Koch: and since when do Dems get upset about infidelity?

As if the Republicans didn't nominate an adulterer four years ago or flirt with another one this time 'round.

Revenant said...

Remember the conspiracy theory nuts of 2000 and 2004 who saw Bush's evil machinations in every little thing? Let's not be them, OK?

Well, he WAS the head of the agency principally responsible for evil machinations. :)

Baron Zemo said...

We are just assuming that Obama is evil and corrupt.

That is a fair assumption.

Bender said...

You want someone a bit more Barbara Stanwyck

You want one of the greatest femme fatale's of all time?

You may want one, but they always end up burning you in the end.

AllenS said...

Inga said...
Chickelit, this thread isn't about you or I, if you want specifics, email me, I'll tell you how, gladly.

So, what is your email address? You've said that before, but does anyone have your email address? How do you expect anyone to email you, if nobody knows your email address?

phx said...

phx: You already make the rest of us look brilliant.

Well I might make some of these other guys look brilliant, that's possible. But make you look brilliant? Not possible.

Peter Hoh said...

not even Max Boot – a Petraeus buddy and Pentagon sock puppet – could bring himself to rave about it, grouching in The Wall Street Journal about All In’s "lack of independent perspective" and the authors' tendency to skirt conflict.

Sounds like the subject of the biography liked skirt conflict, too.

holdfast said...

So it was a honeytrap - she works for the enemy. She's a reporter.

Peter Hoh said...

The Amazon reviewers are having a field day.

This book gives us an incomplete picture of the General, since Ms. Broadwell declines to describe his physical anatomy, his lovemaking techniques, or his prowess as a lover.

Unknown said...

Clearly even tho' the adultery cover is embarrassing, the General is trying to minimize the effects of being found to be covering for Obama's "video riot" story in spite of the facts that the CIA had in hand. He has totally trashed his reputation as a warrior and now is known as simply another Washington "insider toady". Shame! Shame!! Shame!! This disrespects every soldier who followed and respected him through so many years of combat and for so many losses of our finest.

Inga said...

Allen Chickelit has my email addy, but what business is it of yours anyway? Gosh you folks over at that place are a bunch of Yenta's, sheesh.

phx said...

Clearly even tho' the adultery cover is embarrassing, the General is trying to minimize the effects of being found to be covering for Obama's "video riot" story in spite of the facts that the CIA had in hand. He has totally trashed his reputation as a warrior and now is known as simply another Washington "insider toady". Shame! Shame!! Shame!! This disrespects every soldier who followed and respected him through so many years of combat and for so many losses of our finest.

I know. We don't even need to hear Petaeus' side of the story.

Peter Hoh said...

The plug has been pulled on Ms. Broadwell's website, but Slate has compiled a bunch of video clips from her book tour.

holdfast said...

I don't care about the speck in my brother's eye. Jesus told me to look to my own sins. As for what I believe about my own marriage... does Jesus want you to think about that? Let him who is without sin...

With due respect, the only Jesus I care about in matters like this is James Jesus Angleton, and he knew how easy it is to exploit something like an affair to compromise an intelligence officer.

Joe said...

What if Petraeus lied to Obama about Benghazi? As did Clinton? Clinton wanted out anyway, so no problem, but Petraeus was hanging on. A phone call was made, he's gone with a good cover story.

Unknown said...

Clearly even tho' the adultery cover is embarrassing, the General is trying to minimize the effects of being found to be covering for Obama's "video riot" story in spite of the facts that the CIA had in hand. He has totally trashed his reputation as a warrior and now is known as simply another Washington "insider toady". Shame! Shame!! Shame!! This disrespects every soldier who followed and respected him through so many years of combat and for so many losses of our finest.

Craig Landon said...

Once again, the military culture baffles civilians.

My experience is that affairs in the ratified air of flag officers (including potential, current, and retired flag officers) are certain (virtual) death, and in lower ranks, almost certain. Almost no one disagrees with this, and almost everyone understands it.

Timing is a separate issue, but continued respect is certainly not.

One -- perhaps the paramount -- reason is that the paeans to the sacrifices of military wives and families happen to be true, and every one knows it.

Peter Hoh said...

General David Petraeus’s Rules for Living, by Paula Broadwell:

Take your performance personally—if you are proud to be average, so too will be your troops.

You can't make this shit up.

edutcher said...

Bender said...

You want someone a bit more Barbara Stanwyck

You want one of the greatest femme fatale's of all time?

You may want one, but they always end up burning you in the end.


I see your point, but I thought Ms Broadwell was a little too much of a glamour puss for the part. I was going earthy and working class.

You're thinking "Double Indemnity".

I'm thinking "Union Pacific" or "Ball Of Fire".

Maybe even "Meet John Doe".

Peter Hoh said...

But seriously, if she knew that the affair was known to anyone else, would she have let the Daily Beast run that piece earlier this week?

Peter Hoh said...

Well, the Daily Beast/Newsweek.

Hagar said...

And the FBI is said to have been working on this for months?
Without telling the President?

LarsPorsena said...

Inga said...

He can't refuse to testify, subpoena him. Or he will be in contempt and go to jail.

11/9/12 4:59 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

That's what I'm thinking.

Inga said...

" A leader needs to give energy..."

Well maybe he gave energy very energetically.

VekTor said...

Do people still think it's witty to say "Faux News"?

Those that do are likely cut from the same cloth as someone who would pronounce the word "corpse-man"...

Peter Hoh said...

holdfast: So it was a honeytrap - she works for the enemy. She's a reporter.

Sorry, she isn't a reporter. She's a West Point grad, former officer, who met Petraeus while pursuing her postgraduate work. She asked if she could interview him for her dissertation, and it took off from their.

Peter Hoh said...

With regard to earlier speculation, it would seem that the affair happened while Petraeus was active military.

Titus said...

I would fuck her.

Rusty said...

Ann Althouse said...
"I can understand how people who don't can think this is not a big deal. I mean you don't care about marriage and it doesn't mean anything to you."

I don't care about the speck in my brother's eye. Jesus told me to look to my own sins. As for what I believe about my own marriage... does Jesus want you to think about that? Let him who is without sin...


What if he outed himself so he couldn't be blackmailed into giving false testimony.
Just a thought.

Baron Zemo said...

"Imagine if this set an example for everyone, and every adulterer resigned from his/her job. Civilization would collapse, no?"

General Petraeus judged himself. I did not judge him. He set an "example for everyone."

When you make that big a mistake you need to take it like a man and accept the consequences. I understand how he felt anguish and guilt over his human failings and sought forgiveness and redemption. I feel many honorable men and woman of both right and left would feel the same. Those who value their marriage vows. They would follow his example. That would think it was a "Big deal" and would do the same thing.

Some do not place a value on marriage. They don't understand why it is a big deal. Why he would resign.

Not everyone is so cavalier about adultery and hold marriage so lightly. Some do hold it extremely lightly. Just read some of the comments here. They don't value marriage all that much. So same sex marriage, polygamy, polyandry and marrying your cat is just fine with them. It's not a big deal. Who cares?

That is of course their right. You are feel to decide what is important to you. It is still America. For a little while.

Those of us who have a more conservative and conventional viewpoint think that the General did the right thing.

But after Tuesday we realize we are the new minority in this country.

Koblog said...

President "Mr Nice Guy" Obama has always used sexual blackmail to destroy his enemies. Jack Ryan, Herman Cain and now Patreus comprise only a partial list.

Bob said...

If the FBI was investigating this for months then the White House knew. They are obligated to provide that info (investigating a cabinet level officer) because of security concerns. Did the Prez know? Maybe not. But certainly the Chief of Staff and Secret Service.

If Congress wants him to testify they can subpoena him. One of first questions should be when did he let White House know? Because if they knowingly allowed him to stay till past election that is a huge deal. And of course he has a LOT to answer on our Libya misadventure.

Oh, if he cheated while on Active Duty the Army can retroactively downgrade him and his retirement pay. Your retirement pay is based upon your rank of honorable service.

Peter Hoh said...

Baron Zemo: But after Tuesday we realize we are the new minority in this country.

Too bad Gingrich didn't get the nomination. He would have led a winning campaign for traditional values.

Bob said...

While the Republicans flirted with Newt the Dems paraded Bill around. Only one of those pointed his finger at the camera from the White House and lied thru his teeth. Neither are role models.

XRay said...

So, if Meade went walking, that would be just a speck and of no matter. And you are without 'sin' I guess, hence perfectly situated to absolve, or ignore, others of theirs. Due to, you know, your intellectual and emotional perfection.

Methadras said...

Baron Zemo said...

"Because you are what a real man is supposed to be and you'd die rather than hurt someone you love."

That is 100% right edutcher.

And I know that some of the libs here like garage mahal and MadisonMan would feel the same way.

There are honorable people on both sides of the aisle who value their marriage vows.

Bravo! I salute you!


This is commendable. However, and this isn't a defense of Patreus, what would you do in the face of knowing someone who did such a thing? That's the true test of ones character I think, is in the knowing after the fact and how you handle it. People will screw up and they do it all the time. How to handle human nature in this regard is the key.

Methadras said...

Freeman Hunt said...

I also think people are overestimating how well that is tolerated at the CIA.


Either Patreus was going to get outed so he nipped it in the bud, or his mistress was going to sabotage his testimony unless he capitulated in some way to her. Someone in the CIA had a boner with Patreus and got the goods on him. Yes, that was a completely loaded statement. Just like that last one. :D

leslyn said...

"ADDED: Is the resignation really about the affair... or is it connected to Benghazi?"

Let no conspiracy or cover theory pass you by.

XRay said...

CIA only owes allegiance to the CIA. Their 'leader' is a political appointee, since the early fifties anyway. So currently the leader is always expendable to the greater good, of the CIA.

Politics has corrupted all our institutions. There is now no one in government I trust to speak the truth.

AReasonableMan said...

Koblog said...
President "Mr Nice Guy" Obama has always used sexual blackmail to destroy his enemies. Jack Ryan, Herman Cain ....


Herman Cain? This was Obama's fault?

Herman Cain would have been a laff riot as presidential candidate. The Dems could have taken off several months during the campaign to visit Mitt's money in the Caribbean and still have won going away.

What possible motive would they have to out Herman Cain?

Marshal said...

Peter Hoh said...
Baron Zemo: But after Tuesday we realize we are the new minority in this country.

Too bad Gingrich didn't get the nomination. He would have led a winning campaign for traditional values.


Yeah, that would be a shame. Personally I'm much more concerned about running the country into the ground. But luckily we have you to point out our priorities are all screwy, we should really be concerned whether our adulterous leaders are Republicans or not.

Peter Hoh said...

Marshal, I also like to point out that Paul Ryan voted for the budget-busting Medicare, Part D.

Marshal said...

Peter Hoh said...
Marshal, I also like to point out that Paul Ryan voted for the budget-busting Medicare, Part D.


I agree compromising with Democrats on spending is always a mistake.

Baron Zemo said...

There is a reason why Newt will never be the Republican nominee.

That is one of the main reasons he lost despite the fact he is smarter and more prepared that the rest of the field. Just sayn'

Baron Zemo said...

The majority of married and church going Americans voted Republican.

But they are a minority in this country.

It is Obama time.

Naynay said...

What I find interesting is that supposedly the affair was uncovered by the FBI investigating something in the CIA. It is being said that this incident was stumbled upon by the FBI and the woman is his biographer, which puts the affair while he was Commanding Troops in Afghanistan, correct? The woman is quite younger than him and surely it would have been known back then he was diddling the biographer...Eisenhower and Patton had their own personal play things during WWII and nobody resigned! Good Heavens something is not right and I think this has to do with Benghazi, because he has the keys to the kingdom of cover up...we know the Prez lied for two weeks after the attack....WHY????

Tim said...

Ha ha.

We haven't even finished the first four years of Obama's failed presidency, and we've got this.

And then, four more years of slouching toward epic failure.

Maybe that's what it will take for the morons to learn?

Naw.

They'll never learn.

So, I hope they have has much fun as I will, watching their failed president slowly disintegrate before our eyes.

The 2014 mid-terms should be a blast.

Tim said...

"I agree compromising with Democrats on spending is always a mistake."

Sure, but the original Medicare Part D was less of a budget buster than Medicare Parts A-B; and significantly less so than the Democrat version of prescription drug coverage under Medicare, and significantly less so than the Obama-Democrat "reforms" to Medicare Part D enacted by the PPACA.

Just so, you know, the record is straight.

Clyde said...

@ Inga

My guess is that he will be "unable" to testify because he and his wife will no doubt be off to some marriage counseling retreat in the wilds of Montana or Idaho until after the hearings are over.

Archie Berk said...

What happens if; there really was an affair and the distraction was so intense that the Director, as he is called, took his eye off of a dangerous situation. I am excited just thinking about TMZ getting photos of his party time partner.

Archie Berk said...

What happens if; there really was an affair and the distraction was so intense that the Director, as he is called, took his eye off of a dangerous situation. I am excited just thinking about TMZ getting photos of his party time partner.

Peter Hoh said...

Archie, you can calm your fevered curiosity by viewing any number of the video interviews Broadwell did as part of her book tour.

Darrell said...

Eisenhower and Patton had their own personal play things during WWII and nobody resigned!

Historians say no on the Eisenhower affair. But don't let that stop you from whatever point you're trying to make.

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