January 7, 2013

"Very soon, [the Washington Redskins] will find out if they have lost a quarterback, Robert Griffin III..."

"... and, if so, to what new injury to his right knee and for how long. It could be not much. It could be a great deal. And so could the repercussions."
Hold your breath. But understand that, from Griffin’s first play to his last, this game epitomizes the emergency-room world of NFL mayhem that all players accept and that quarterbacks, as team leaders, must play by a carry-me-off-on-my-shield code.

136 comments:

LarsPorsena said...

It was obvious that he should have been pulled in the third quarter.
An 100% Cousins is better than an 80% RGIII.

Michael K said...

It looked like he ruptured the medial collateral ligament. If it is worse than that, the rest of his career may be in doubt. The original injury, on December 9, has led to a controversy about whether the team physician cleared him to go back in the game that day. The doctor says no. The coach says the doctor okayed it.

Mitchell the Bat said...

They don't wait for the MRI, if you're a race horse.

Quaestor said...

They don't wait for the MRI, if you're a race horse.

Are you saying he should be retired to stud? He just might go for that...

Shouting Thomas said...

RGIII takes one for the team!

Sorry, but I loved it. This Cornball Brother is a real throwback to the days of gallantry and chivalry. He must be dating the cheerleading queen.

Looks to me like he's at least hyper-extended his knee. That, in itself, is an injury that never really goes away. I oughta know. I hyper-extended my knee in high school football and that injury still hurts in cold weather.

Reminded me of Y.A. Tittle hanging in there and taking a beating from the Bears in 1963.

The Drill SGT said...

North Dallas 40

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079640/

Phil Elliott: [as he receives a numbing injection in his knee] Better football through chemistry.

garage mahal said...

An 100% Cousins is better than an 80% RGIII.

Yep. Shanahan blew short term and long term decision making yesterday. It was like he was the only one watching that couldn't see it.

AprilApple said...

I was standing behind the counter and behind the small tv when someone said... "oh wow that looks bad.. oh man that's bad. wow... bad... why did they send him in?... holy cow that's bad."
I'm not going to watch.

AprilApple said...

It's that same feeling you get when you go over to Drudge. Sick to the stomach, just want to curl into a ball and hide under the sofa.

dbp said...

I saw the play where his knee bent the wrong way. It hurt just looking at it.

edutcher said...

The Blonde has a tendency to look at pro football players as a bunch of wusses after she did her ACL.

She was back at work before Christmas.

Kit said...

They're probably on the phone to AP's doctor and PT's, right now...

Quaestor said...

Thomas Boswell's column has that prissy "let's ban that beastly NFL, and while we're about it ban guns as well" tone, does it not? I suppose Boswell choice would be a sport where the men wear shorts and cute knee stockings and only touch each other in an affectionate way -- oooh.

Judging from his masthead pic Thomas Boswell (what kind of sports writer insists on Thomas rather than just good old Tom?) has had a testosterone problem all his life.

garage mahal said...

Cousins played real well in relief of RGIII when he was hurt. I wonder if that played any role in him fighting so hard to stay in and play.

Tank said...

A couple of years ago Phil Rivers did the exact same thing, dragging one dead leg around for a playoff game.

Don't know if it was right or not. I'm not a doctor.

It is qualitatively different than a head injury, I think.

Tank said...

Forgot to say, I like everything I know and have heard about RGIII. And I'd say he was at 40%, not 80%.

Shouting Thomas said...

Who ya taking in tonight's National Championship? Notre Dame or Alabama?

Which group of scholars do you prefer?

I'm rootin' for the Fighting Irish, but I'm afraid it's gonna be Bama.

rhhardin said...

I've never heard of him.

Football is boring to any former high school band member.

SteveR said...

RG3 is in the unenviable media position (see Cam Newton 2011, etc.) of being one Superbowl win from coronation as the greatest QB in NFL history.

Shouting Thomas said...

Rich, famous, black and, now, hobbling out there to Win One for the Gipper!

This guy must be getting more ass than a toilet seat!

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Roll Tide!

Mitchell the Bat said...

I don't know much about football, in general, or Mr. Griffin, in particular, but I took a quick spin on The Googles and now I know that Mr. Griffin in engaged to be married and that his fiancée can be fairly described as luscious.

Bob R said...

Shanahan and his coaching staff are MUCH better qualified to make the short term assessment than anyone else. It's a close call since Cousins is good, so it's fun to second guess. But Shanahan is the one who has by far the most information.

As far as the long term goes, it's a knee, not a brain. No danger to his long term health. We'll see about his career, but it would be rare to end it on this type of injury.

Curious George said...

"edutcher said...
The Blonde has a tendency to look at pro football players as a bunch of wusses after she did her ACL.

She was back at work before Christmas."

How many yards did she gain?

Shouting Thomas said...

A serious knee injury could be just what RGIII needs to prolong his career.

Running QBs don't live long in the NFL.

This guy has a gun for an arm. Losing his mobility to some extent may be just what he needs to force him to become a pocket passer who only runs when absolutely necessary.

All his body parts are going to be shattered if he keeps running so much.

This is really why no team (so far) really wants to take a gamble on Tebow. Tebow runs too much and he tries to run over other people like a fullback. No way Tebow can survive a full season of that at QB in the NFL.

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ironrailsironweights said...

If you are an American male and do not worship the NFL, our society condemns you as a freak and weirdo at best, some sort of f@gg0t at worst.

Peter

JBC said...

It'll either be this injury or another one that happens sometime next season that ends his career. Griffin cannot seem to understand, or at least can't actualize, the role of the professional QB, as well as the massive investment he represents. For all the hype over RGIII as a "new breed", what he really is is a talented guy who's willing to sacrifice his body for his job. That's not what pro QBs do. At least not consistently. Better for the 'Skins to have not made the playoffs this year, which happened b/c of Griffin's risk-taking, and maybe they could have gone further in 2013 based on experience and cohesion.

I don't think he's able to change, so his career will be cut very short.

edutcher said...

Curious George said...

The Blonde has a tendency to look at pro football players as a bunch of wusses after she did her ACL.

She was back at work before Christmas.


How many yards did she gain?


She has a T-shirt that says, "I do battle with the Angel of Death 40 hours a week.

And what was your field, again?".

Ignorance is Bliss said...

I always enjoyed watching Randall Cunningham when he was the Eagles' quarterback, because anytime it looked like he was in trouble, there was a decent chance that he could turn a lose into a gain.

However, anytime your quarterback is your leading rusher ( or punter!?! ) it's because he is unable to do his primary job of getting the ball into the hands of his receivers. That's not always the quarterback's fault; depending on the quality of his receivers and offensive line it may be that nobody could do that job. But it's certainly not a good sign for the team as a whole.

McTriumph said...

I is Bliss
It all depends, is the QB running for his life or is it in the scheme?

khesanh0802 said...

@LarsPorsena

It was obvious to anyone watching that Griffin was far below 50% capability. Shanahan should have pulled him in the first half. His lack of judgement was criminal. Watching Griffin try to run was excruciating to me and I was sitting on a couch.

From a practical point of view, while the Redskins had a lead Cousins might have been able to accomplish something.

If football really were war Griffin would have been removed from command because he physically could not perform his duties. We already knew he had courage but an excess of courage and a lack of judgement combine to cause unnecessary casualties.

Jeff said...

He should have been pulled after the first time he ran, er, hobbled with the ball. It was obvious that his knee was not ready. Cousins, the backup, passes almost as well as RGIII. If RG can't run, you might as well have Cousins in there. Now RG may be seriously damaged and become just another pretty good pocket passer.

You can't fault RGIII for trying to play. That willingness to sacrifice himself is what makes him a respected team leader as a rookie. The blame for this disaster lies entirely with Shanahan.

Tibore said...

I gotta agree with everyone who's pinning this in Shanahan. It was his job to save the QB from himself, and he simply didn't do it.

Panachronic said...

"If you are an American male and do not worship the NFL, our society condemns you as a freak and weirdo at best, some sort of f@gg0t at worst."

Yeah, what's your point?

LarsPorsena said...

Pittsburgh does the same thing with Rothlisberger. He will be limping with a special boot on his leg, braces on his back and special padding for his ribs.

A 100% Charlie Batch is better than an 80% Rothlisberger. This must be a blind spot for NFL coaches.

LarsPorsena said...

Blogger Panachronic said...

"If you are an American male and do not worship the NFL, our society condemns you as a freak and weirdo at best, some sort of f@gg0t at worst."

Justly so.

jr565 said...

At least it was just his knee and not his head.

traditionalguy said...
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traditionalguy said...

What's clear is that Griffin is 100% at fault for playing super man when he kept running into defenses for an extra few yards instead of diving or sliding in safety.

The first injury was all Griffin's fault just as his concussion was early on against the Falcons linebacker Witherspoon.

Russell Wilson calmly does more than Griffin and always ends his runs sliding short of a tackle by a 250 lb truck/linebacker going at him.

Then Wilson plays another play gaining another 25 yards instead of one play gaining 30 yards followed by a 10,000 yard trip to the hospital.

traditionalguy said...

The Redskins clearly need a Tim Tebow miracle!

Icepick said...

Running QBs don't live long in the NFL.

Define "running quarterback". Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton were both described as such and had nice long HoF careers.

And the problem with Tebow isn't that he runs like a fullback, it's that he throws like a fullback with a shoulder injury. Plus Tebow just doesn't seem to get how the passing game is done in the NFL. The one thing he could not do in Denver last year was anticipate his receivers' routes and cuts, even though that's exactly what practice is about. That last is important because so many passes are thrown in the NFL in anticipation of where someone will be after a cut has been made.

The upsides he had were that he could extend plays because of his mobility (which created opportunities for receivers to get obviously open) and he didn't turn the ball over much. But he doesn't have an NFL arm and he doesn't have the ability to anticipate where everyone is going to be. His running style doesn't have much to do with it at this point.

ndspinelli said...

traditionalguy, A wise and righteous coach would have the integrty to tell his young warrior.."basta". RG3 has a weasel for a coach.

Baron Zemo said...

RG3 is a throwback to the old school NFL player and I would love to have him on my team if I didn't already have a two time Super Bowl wining MVP on my team.

I hope he makes a full recovery and we have the chance to play against him for many years to come.

McTriumph said...

The backup QB Cousins wasn't going to win the playoff game against Seattle. First off, all the Redskins' offensive weapons were playing injured and it broke down as the clock advanced. Secondly the Seattle defense front line pass rush would have ate Cousins' ass, which it did to RGIII once he couldn't run. There is a reason Cousins' passing stats sucked when he did come in.

Baron Zemo said...

There is a difference between a "running" qb and a "Scrambling" gb.

Fran the Sram was mostly running for his life. Bobby Douglas was a running qb much like Tebow is today.

Baron Zemo said...

RG3 is a great talent and he will be back next year don't you worry about it.

Icepick said...

Anyone else remember Byron Leftwich winning games in college (and a few in the NFL) when he couldn't even walk? I remember one two minute drill where his lineman had to carry him up the field after every completion.

I remember Steve McNair's tough guy act, too. He was another one that played injured a lot, and fairly well.

80% of RGIII is better than 100% of Cousins, and 60% of Roethlisburger is better than 100% of Charlie Batch. The problem was that RGII yesterday was playing well below 50% by the time the Redskins were up by 14.

I also notice that no one here has made the comparison that 100% of Joe Webb is better than 80% of Christian Ponder. And that was a pretty low bar! Starters are usually (though not always) the starters for reasons that have nothing to do with a coaches ego. (Any team coached by a member of Buddy Ryan's family is excepted from this consideration.)

Icepick said...

There is a reason Cousins' passing stats sucked when he did come in.

We have a winner!

X said...

tradguy, hitting a QB in the head like Witherspoon did is not a legal play.

if I were NFL commissioner, I would require defenders to attempt to wrap up a player, like Bob Lily did. actual tackling instead just trying to hit and bounce off.

Icepick said...

For a guy trying to buy time in the backfield Tarkenton sure got up the field a lot. From Wikipedia:

During his career, Tarkenton ran for a touchdown in 15 different seasons, an NFL record among quarterbacks. He ranks fourth in career rushing yards among quarterbacks, behind Randall Cunningham, Steve Young and Michael Vick. He is also one of two NFL quarterbacks ever to rush for at least 300 yards in seven different seasons; the other is Tobin Rote.

Tank said...

traditionalguy said...
What's clear is that Griffin is 100% at fault for playing super man when he kept running into defenses for an extra few yards instead of diving or sliding in safety.

The first injury was all Griffin's fault just as his concussion was early on against the Falcons linebacker Witherspoon.

Russell Wilson calmly does more than Griffin and always ends his runs sliding short of a tackle by a 250 lb truck/linebacker going at him.

Then Wilson plays another play gaining another 25 yards instead of one play gaining 30 yards followed by a 10,000 yard trip to the hospital.


On the other hand, Wilson ran downfield to block for one of his own backs on a TD run. Yiiii. Love that attitude, but way dangerous, particularly for a little guy.

McTriumph said...

We should dedicate this thread to Broadway Joe Namath's knees.

mtrobertsattorney said...

The team doctor clearly says he did not clear Griffin to play; Shanahan says he did.

Who is most likely telling the truth here?

Baron Zemo said...

The game was a lot slower then when Fran the Scram was running. He had a bunch of busted plays when he was on the Giants. The quarterback sneak was used a hell of a lot more than it is used today. I remember even Joe Namath scoring on a naked bootleg which is something you never see anymore.

Baron Zemo said...

Well except when Aaron Rodgers is caught running out of Ryan Braun's motel room.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

HT said...

I said this last night - I believe Jim Andrews, does anyone not??

And I've worried for a long time about RGIII. Yeah, sure, super hero all you want, but then what if it's a one and done type situation? No more super hero.

Broadway Joe played for the Bear.

But with the jets, yeah, he did his knees in. Maybe alcohol helped with the pain.

garage mahal said...

There is a difference between a "running" qb and a "Scrambling" gb.

There is also a difference between a QB in the playoffs, and, say, one that is watching from the couch. For instance: Aaron Rodger is *in* the playoffs.

Baron Zemo said...

Don't worry Garage. He will blow the big game.

It is what he does best.

Icepick said...

Zemo, Tarkenton averaged 5.4 yards per rush over the course of his career, and that includes three very poor years (rushing-wise) at the end of his career that brought the average down. That's over 16 feet on average. All those QB sneaks would have just brought his average DOWN. He was going up field a LOT. Busted play or not, the key is he was running up field to be drilled by LBs and safties.

On the other hand, Wilson ran downfield to block for one of his own backs on a TD run.

Yeah, that was freakin' awesome, but insanely dangerous for such a little player.

McTriumph said...

HT
RGIII isn't done.

Namath was like Butkus, they could barely walk, but they could run.

Baron Zemo said...

Fran was very short in stature or at least he seemed that way to me and he wasn't afraid to hit the deck and slide and take the yards without getting the big hit. Plus the players in those days weren't the monsters they are today.

Nowadays everybody is as big as Deacon Jones or Ernie Ladd. So the speed and violence of the game just seems worse even though they put in all of these rules.

Icepick said...

Who is most likely telling the truth here?

Generally assume a head football coach or a college basketball coach is lying, if there's any question.

EMD said...

A 100% Charlie Batch is better than an 80% Rothlisberger. This must be a blind spot for NFL coaches.

The BROWNS beat 100% Charlie Batch, so I will politely disagree.

Baron Zemo said...

Roger Staubach was another gb who scrambled. Roger the Dodger slid out of trouble but mainly worried about throwing the ball not advancing the ball by running it himself.

That's the key I think. Some gbs run to avoid the pass rush but not just to advance the ball. Tarkenton, Staubach, Steve Young. Others see the run as part and parcel of the offense and the way they get down the field. Bobby Douglas, Tim Tebow, Michael Vick.

HT said...

I wish for the days when saying it would make it so.

I know I'm a worrier...

Have you seen the knee or something?

“He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn’t our opinion,” Andrews said.

“We didn’t even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me.”

Andrews admitted that he is still worried about Griffin’s health and concerned that the team might have rushed their star rookie back too quickly.

“I’m the one that shut him down that day, finally,” Andrews said. “I’ve been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He’s doing a lot better this week, but he’s still recovering and I’m holding my breath because of it.

“He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it’s been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you.”


Baron Zemo said...

I also agree that coaches lie.

The only thing that lies more is statistics.

EMD said...

We should dedicate this thread to Broadway Joe Namath's knees.

Certainly not this lips.

HT said...

RGIII can/could walk, but not run.

The question I asked the other night was (unrelated):

why does GB play outdoors, but Minn does not?

AprilApple said...

Risk. It's a bitch.

McTriumph said...

Baron
You are correct that the players are bigger and faster now, but the game is actually less violent than under the old rules. The injuries are just under more scrutiny than in the past.

HT said...

I'd love to see some life expectancy studies, as well as neurological assessments comparing then and now, though there probably aren't much of the latter for 'then.'

Baron Zemo said...

I think it is more violent because of the size and speed of the players. I do think it was a lot dirtier in the old days with the head slaps by Deacon Jones and the spearing of Jack Tatum. That was deliberate violence if you will. The current violence is speed and mass and velocity and all that sciencey stuff.

Shouting Thomas said...

I like Tebow.

Hear he's going to Jacksonville next year.

He's a movie start there. The Jags will do everything they can to make it work for Tebow. I think he'll surprise everybody.

HT said...

Ok, so you're talking about football's middle ages. I was thinking of older than that - like 40s and 50s, and early 60s. I watched a youtube of Deacon Jones. It was just good tackling - unlike today's 'hitting.' Does no one want to tackle anymore? Aside from some massive shoulder pads, I didn't see anything too sinister or dirty.

Shouting Thomas said...

That should be movie star, although he could very well be a movie start, too, if things go well.

Baron Zemo said...

Deacon's play was to stand up the offensive lineman and then slap him as hard as he could on the helmet and slide past him while he was listening to the bells.

That's where the term "Getting his bell rung" was popularized by NFL flims.

Baron Zemo said...

The Oakland Raiders popularized head shots in the secondary with guys like George Atkinson and Jack Tatum.

Head shots were the way to go in the old NFL.

Baron Zemo said...

Or the AFL which was a lot more fun than the NFL at the time.

garage mahal said...

Don't worry Garage. He will blow the big game

Rodgers has never blown a game. Packer defense, on the other hand, has. Really no excuse to lose to Peyton Manning, of all people, at home.

I can't wait to see DeJuan Harris this Saturday. He's like a bowling ball careening into people like pins.

Baron Zemo said...

Rodgers never beats the Mannings in a big game at home.

Study your history dude.

traditionalguy said...

In defense of Spoon, Griffin had become a running back and was diving for the pylon and not giving himself up. Ergo: Griffin's head was a running back's head.

Also my memory was that Spoon hit Griffin's back with his shoulder, and it was the subsequent head snap and fall on to a hard surface that concussed the brains of Super Man Griffin.

What is an issue is whether Russell will challenge Spoon on Sunday or give himself up with a a safe slide.

Kit said...

why does GB play outdoors, but Minn does not?

Oh, where to start...

garage mahal said...

@Baron

One blip.

Anyhow, it's nice to be *in* the tournament. Time to make yet another world championship run.

Baron Zemo said...

True. The other time the Giants whipped the Packers in the big game the gb was some texting dude who was their greatest all time guy.

Who was that again?

Anthony Weiner?

HT said...

Now when is that MRI supposed to happen? Are they flying to Birmingham to do it?

garage mahal said...

Some guy named Brent, I think.

Tank said...

Ah, if only the Giants didn't take half the season off. We could be on our way to GB to crush them again, then on to the SB to ruin another Pat's season.

Damn.

Icepick said...

why does GB play outdoors, but Minn does not?

Two likely answers (pick the one you like best):

(1) Because Minnesota fans are a bunch of pussies.

(2) Because Minn fans wised up, and GB fans are as stupid as ever.

Tank said...

That's cold Icepick, very cold.

garage mahal said...

Green Bay - 13 World championships
Minnesota -

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride!

HT said...

But we always hear about the dedicated fans of GB and the fan experience, but hardly zilch from Minnesota.

garage mahal said...

I challenge anyone to visit the Metrodome and watch a game there, and tell me that it isn't the biggest shithole in the NFL. You can't even tailgate at the stadium, you have to tailgate blocks away. They should go back to playing outdoors like the old Met days.

EMD said...

But we always hear about the dedicated fans of GB and the fan experience, but hardly zilch from Minnesota.

Germans went joyfully along with Hitler, while the Scandinavians were co-opted?

HT said...

Ok, i don't understand that answer E.

Detroit, Indy, Minnesota - are midwesterners just not tough anymore?

Maybe they don't spend time outside like they used to.

At least Chicago still plays at Soldier Field.

Icepick said...

That's cold Icepick, very cold.

Not as cold as outdoor games in Minnesota this time of year. (Personally I prefer Florida. Hell, I'd be living in the Canal Zone of Carter hadn't been such a wimp.)

But we always hear about the dedicated fans of GB and the fan experience, but hardly zilch from Minnesota.

If your fan experience was similar to being in Stalin's gulags in winter, you'd need to talk yourself (and everyone around you) into believing what a 'great' 'fan experience' it was too.

You want to know a good fan experience? Bitching about having to put on a windbreaker in January because it got down to 65 last night and the high today is only going to be 78. THAT'S a good fan experience. A great fan experience is skipping the December and January games entirely because it's in the 80s and you can go to the beach, drink beer and watch the hotties work on their tans. THAT'S a great fan experience!

Icepick said...

I challenge anyone to visit the Metrodome and watch a game there, and tell me that it isn't the biggest shithole in the NFL. You can't even tailgate at the stadium, you have to tailgate blocks away. They should go back to playing outdoors like the old Met days.

Yeah, because nothing sez "Tailgating Heaven" like beer freezing solid in the keg and brats covered in hoarfrost seconds after coming off the grill!

gadfly said...

This is not the first time the 'Skins have misreported RGIII's injuries. When Robert suffered a concussion in a Week 5 game against the Falcons, the team took it on the chin for 20 Grand for telling the world that Griffin was just shaken, not stirred.

Then there was Shanahan saying that Adrian Peterson's miracle doctor had examined Griffin and found him OK - when Dr. Andrews had not yet been given the opportunity to even look at the knee.

Griffin had better be playing in top form next year, or the Redskin owner will lose a whole bunch of money in the lawsuit that will surely follow.

Icepick said...

Besides, if you had to watch a perennially underachieving team like the Viking play, do you also want to do it whilst sitting on a glacier? HELL NO!

Quaestor said...

LarsPorsena - you've misattributed that quote.

McTriumph said...

Baron
Getting you're "bell rung" is being knock out or not knowing what planet you're on after the hit, sometimes the arches of your feet will burn, the sky turns green and the grass blue.

A head slap or forearm shiver is used to make the offensive lineman to blink, so you can "shuck' him, make your move.

I don't see how this game compares in violence to the old game. In the old game blocking below the waist was legal, hitting head to head was legal, "clothes lining" was legal, beating the shit out of a receiver was legal as long as the ball wasn't in the air, offensive lineman couldn't use their hands, at one time the crack-back block was legal, etc and etc. What many today would call a finable cheap shot was a normal part of the game. There is a reason guys Nick Buoniconti's size could be a hall of fame linebacker, unfortunately karma came around for his son.

HT said...

Keep up Gadfly. We've been over all this.

EMD said...

Ok, i don't understand that answer E.


More German immigrants settled in Wisconsin, while more Scandinavians settled in Minnesota?

One does fanaticism (fan) more than the other?

EMD said...

As a Broncos fan, I can attest that Shanahan is equal parts genius, liar, and asshole.

EMD said...

I don't see how this game compares in violence to the old game. In the old game blocking below the waist was legal, hitting head to head was legal, "clothes lining" was legal, beating the shit out of a receiver was legal as long as the ball wasn't in the air, offensive lineman couldn't use their hands, at one time the crack-back block was legal, etc and etc. What many today would call a finable cheap shot was a normal part of the game. There is a reason guys Nick Buoniconti's size could be a hall of fame linebacker, unfortunately karma came around for his son.

This is why the NFL is getting sued by many ex-players. I guess it was inevitable.

Icepick said...

Only semi-related: Quote of the Weekend: "I love y'all to death! I love y'all to death!" - Ray Lewis to teammates after the game.

Personally I'd take that as a threat.

garage mahal said...

Yeah, because nothing sez "Tailgating Heaven" like beer freezing solid in the keg and brats covered in hoarfrost seconds after coming off the grill!

Drink/eat faster. Problem solved.

Lambeau is a lot cozier than it used to be. Before the skyboxes and the atrium it was just a bowl and the wind would just howl through the stadium.

Shouting Thomas said...

Is Tebow still a virgin?

Certified?

EMD said...

Is Tebow still a virgin?

Certified?


Do we care?

Methadras said...

Football has become risk mitigation management. It isn't he game anymore of guys who would play injured because the team needed them. However, as much as I like RG's tenacity and willingness to step outside of the cornball brotherhood and prove that he is a quarterback that needs to earn his due, he is still a young man, who has made a young man decision in that he internally believed that he might have been immune to some of that risk mitigation and someone, somewhere, sneezed, went left instead of right, yelled at the wrong time, and put in to much sugar in their coffee and those connected links of reality led to him jacking his knee. That's life. Move on. I hope he recovers, but I've seen Joe Theissman bust his leg so many times in replay when it happened, that seeing RG torque his knee wasn't cringe-worthy.

Seeing Joe Theissman selling prostate shrinking snake oil is cringe-worthy however.

Methadras said...

Tank said...

A couple of years ago Phil Rivers did the exact same thing, dragging one dead leg around for a playoff game.

Don't know if it was right or not. I'm not a doctor.

It is qualitatively different than a head injury, I think.


Oh yeah, I watch Rivers do that. People were calling for Turner to get him out. He chose not to.

EMD said...

Seeing Joe Theissman is cringe-worthy however.

FIFY.

Bryan C said...

Bloodied but unbowed. I appreciate his tenacity. Isn't that how professional sports is supposed to work? You play the game until you wear out or break something they can't fix, and then you retire and enjoy the money you made.

Baron Zemo said...

I agree that all the dirty play that you list made the NFL very dirty.

It just seems that the players were all smaller and the damage they did was a lot less.

Football is a tough game for tough guys.

AllenS said...

Hey, screw the Skins and RGIII. How about them Packers!!

ndspinelli said...

The blustering of this Zemo jackoff makes me long for that bullshitting Trooper York. At least Trooper knew a little about football. Oh, and Fran Tarkenton is a racist buck tooth Gomer. That Trooper guy also liked Gomers.

This Zemo guy must be a woman since he likes Namath..a drunken woman.

Craig Landon said...

Deacon's play was to stand up the offensive lineman and then slap him as hard as he could on the helmet and slide past him while he was listening to the bells.

Google "Ear Slap Self Defense" to get some idea as to why it was effective and is no longer allowed.

X said...

does anyone else get tired of Suzy Kolber emphasizing two out of every three words she says? is she brain damaged?

Baron Zemo said...

You do know that nd stands for "No Dick" right? Just sayn'

Baron Zemo said...

Plus nd is a KC Chiefs fan and not just because the players like to shoot their baby mamas.

It's because he once showered with Ed Podolack at a local gym. (you can see pics on the internets)

junyo said...

Cousins should have started.

Kirk Cousins is good enough to be a starter somewhere, and the Redskins defense was holding Seattle in relative check, which means you don't need the backup to play spectacular, you need them to engineer long clock eating drives. The whole point of spending a relatively high draft pick on a backup QB was to have a genuine alternative as an insurance policy for your 'guaranteed to take a lot of hits' franchise QB.

Oh yeah, Washington has the second leading rusher in the NFL. Not, it's not RG3. Cousins isn't the runner RG3 is, but he's not a statue, and he probably has a better deep ball if he has time. Morris would make Seattle keep men on the line. Play action would still work, just not the read option runs and roll outs. If Cousins wins great, you've got him on a 4 year contract/insurance policy, and RG3 gets another week to heal. And if not, the thing is, as long as Cousins keeps the game close, and you've got RG3 healthy on the sideline, you can always put him in - fresh - against a Seattle defense that's been running up and downthe field for the last 45 minutes. Shanahan should have saved RG3 for a closer, if needed.

As it was, even assuming Griffin managed to pull it out in the 4th quarter, so what? He's nicked up and you've got a tougher opponent next week.

ndspinelli said...

No Zemo shower photos since he doesn't take care of personal hygiene. There are a few of him getting a sponge bath from Mike Piazza.

HT said...

I'm a woman and I loved Joe Namath.

Here's the thing with the Redskins and RGIII.

That whole situation has been on the brink of disaster all season long. There was tension - no one was ever in control after the concussion. To let a 22 year old be your whole team was irresponsible. It's not hindsight. I said it a few months ago. It was felt; you could sense it. It was no way to run a program.

We've heard of at least one other player during that game who tore his meniscus and ACL (tore, not sprained) but nothing from RGIII, who yes, as it turns out, is going to Birmingham.

Baron Zemo said...

Nd on the other hand is very familar with soap in the shower.

Well at least dropping it. If you know what I mean...wink.. wink...nudge...nudge.

EMD said...

This ND/Zemo showdown is really entertaining.

Really.

Icepick said...

On PTI they made the point this evening that Jay Cutler got compared unfavorably to Hitler for not going back into a playoff game a couple of years ago. The 'Skins and RGIII were doomed to be ripped no matter what.

dreams said...

I've followed sports all my life and I like RGIII and was impressed with the season he was having too but he seems to be injury prone which obviously isn't good so I think the Colts and the Seahawks are very pleased with their quarterbacks and wouldn't trade either of them for RG3. The other rookie quarterbacks Brandon Weeden and Jeff Tannehill might be proved to be better long term investments too but that remains to be seen.

Obviously I hope RG3's injury is not permanent and doesn't affect his career.

dreams said...

Ryan Tannehill instead of Jeff.

ndspinelli said...

Zemo, I do shower regularly. And like all men who take care of their personal hygiene, showering daily, I do sometimes drop the soap. We all know you've taken 2 showers in the past 4 years. However, when you do, you drop the soap and slide it around the shower room w/ you tongue like a hockey player on a fast break. That brings us back to your Rikers Island NY Rangers ass rape incident that caused you to "hate" hockey. What's odd about that is w/ the recent collective bargaining agreement in the NHL word is you are pissing in public w/ the hopes of having a stint @ Rikers to get your NHL freak on. Zemo loves a puck in his pucker. Interestingly, only Canadians turn him on.

donald said...

Trad guy is correct on Weatherspoons hit on Griffin.

Baron Zemo said...

Nd despite your vivid imagination I only hate hockey and Canadians because I am a "Real American."

Real Americans like baseball and football not crap like hockey and soccer. That is for stupid third world asseholes who deliver your pizza and send cold fronts down from Canuckastan.

Don't you have relive Garage so you can fluff Aaron Rodgers so he can be ready to play.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

Jeff said...

Icepick pointed out that Cousins stats when he did come in were not good. That's true, but watching the last few minutes of the game it was pretty clear that Cousins was throwing good, accurate passes. The receivers were dropping them. It looked pretty bad.

raf said...

Fran was very short in stature or at least he seemed that way to me and he wasn't afraid to hit the deck

Remember that back then it wasn't "down by contact," it was just "down." When Tark (or any runner) went to the ground, if anyone hit him it was unnecessary roughness.

HT said...

McTriumph:

Damage to that ligament could mean a lengthy rehabilitation that might jeopardize the star rookie quarterback’s chances of being ready for the start of the 2013 season in September and could keep him sidelined even longer, according to two experts.

Baron Zemo said...

RG3 will be having his entire Knee reconstructed which is almost as serious as nd's plastic sugery this past season.

Best wishes to both young gentlemen.

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