January 10, 2013

"We're not going to go hog wild."

Says Governor Scott Walker, announcing a plan for a "significant" cut in state income taxes.

ADDED: In the comments, Mary Beth said: "I'm surprised, and a little let down, that this post didn't also have a history of the phrase 'hog wild.'" Thanks for missing the kind of Althouse extras that I really do love to provide. And here they are. The OED has this:
hog-wild adj. U.S. completely wild or unrestrained; crazy (chiefly in to go hog-wild).

1893   Galveston (Texas) Daily News 11 Mar. 4/3   The state of Kansas has gone ‘hog wild’.
1940   C. McCullers Heart is Lonely Hunter i. ii. 26   This here white man had just gone hog wild. He were butting his head against the side of this brick wall.
2005   Time Out N.Y. 3 Feb. 82/1   New York City Ballet went hog-wild with promotions on January 22.
And here's a graph of the history of the use of "hog wild." For some reason, it spiked in 1942 and 1963. WW2 and the Kennedy assassination. Big events in those years. Any number of reasons to turn to "hog wild."

45 comments:

bpm4532 said...

You don't always serve the citizenry best just by spending more money. It's important to have a real discussion about what government should do, what it shouldn't do, and what is the best way to do it for the least amount of money. That's what government should be about.

There are lots of people that will want to move north out of Illinois if they lower taxes.

Alex said...

Irresponsible to cut taxes in a recession.

Alex said...

bpm - do those people who want to move ever lay out all the numbers on a spreadsheet to see if a reduce income tax rate would make up for the cost of moving? Or consider the fact that they need to find a job first in Wisconsin and how much would it cost to do that?

edutcher said...

Insta made the point yesterday Republican governors, by and large, are swimming in money because of the prosperity of their economies.

So go for it.

Alex said...

Funny how Ann doesn't mention Wisconsin ranks 42nd in job creation. Great job there Walker/Koch.

cryptical said...

High priced government doesn't stimulate job creation.

Seeing Red said...

MADISON — The last we heard, Gogebic Taconite LLC – the company that proposed a $1.5 billion iron ore mining operation in northern Wisconsin — was leaving the state.

“Wisconsin will not welcome iron mining. We get the message,” CEO Bill Williams said in a statement after the state Senate failed to pass mining regulation reform last March. “GTAC is ending plans to invest in a Wisconsin mine.”

http://watchdog.org/65495/wi-gtac-silent-as-mine-debate-resumes/

Seeing Red said...

We don't have replicators yet that make stuff out of thin air.

Alex said...

Scott Walker doesn't know how to create jobs.

Seeing Red said...

WI gets lower taxes, IL gets more confiscation.

Via ZeroHedge, Santelli today:

"Ever heard of SB3341?" is Rick Santelli's opening salvo in today's rantless discussion of the concerns he has with Illinois' 'Precious Metal Purchasing Act'. While passed in the Illinois Senate last year, and moth-balled in the House since, Rick notes that "the long and short of it is is they want an audit trail to any precious metals, whether you're talking coins or bullion." It does not seem too much of a stretch to this Chicagoan to the 1933 Executive Order #6102 that confiscated gold and cleared the way eventually for Nixon's 1971 disconnect of the dollar from gold. As Liberty Blitzkrieg's Mike Krieger notes: "So let me get this straight. First they want gun registration and now precious metal registration? I’m sure the government would only use such information in our best interests, because as we all know: Your Government Loves You. Sounds reasonable, after all, only 'terrorists' buy guns and gold anyway."

Seeing Red said...

Compared to whom?

Seeing Red said...

HOLY CRAP!

...Provides that a person who is in the business of purchasing precious metal shall obtain a proof of ownership, create a record of the sale, and verify the identity of the seller. Provides that a person who is in the business of purchasing precious metal shall not pay for the precious metal in cash and shall record the method of payment.



Requires the purchaser to keep a record of the sale for one year or, if the purchase amount is over $500, for 5 years.

66 said...

I suppose the latest thing is to sit back and let Mr. Nobody from Nowhere raise taxes on individuals earning over $400,000 or couples earning over $450,000. Well, if that's the idea you can count me out.

AllenS said...

My property taxes went down. Thank you Gov. Walker. It will take time for this current administration to convince business to stay and to relocate to WI. This anti-mining thing isn't brought on by Walker. There are other things going on that are anti-business, and none of them are brought on by Walker. There is a lot of house cleaning that needs to be done before WI is the pro-business state that it can be. It ain't going to be easy.

AprilApple said...

Cutting taxes is the best thing to do to help the economy.

garage mahal said...

Funny how Ann doesn't mention Wisconsin ranks 42nd in job creation. Great job there Walker/Koch

At least we ain't last!

Mary Beth said...

I'm surprised, and a little let down, that this post didn't also have a history of the phrase "hog wild".

garage mahal said...

Cutting taxes is the best thing to do to help the economy.

Jobs are the best way to improve the economy. And Walker's ALEC/Tea Party experiment has proven to be a miserable failure.

Seeing Red said...

...Broken out by private-sector manufacturing jobs, Wisconsin ranks 20th in terms of job creation. Its increase of 11,788 new production jobs, for a gain of 2.6%, means Wisconsin trails Michigan (5.2% or 26,774); Indiana (4.3% or 20,298); and Ohio (3.9% or 24,648)....

IL is missing.

Alex said...

SR - so what you're saying is Wisconsin is trailing badly in creating government jobs.

Seeing Red said...

Trade ya your 6.7% unemployment rate for IL' 8.7%.

Seeing Red said...

I'm not saying anything. I just pulled a quote from a recent article.

Tim said...

Semi-automatic rifles are excellent for hunting wild hogs.

Tim said...

66 said...

"I suppose the latest thing is to sit back and let Mr. Nobody from Nowhere raise taxes on individuals earning over $400,000 or couples earning over $450,000."

Yep.

Mr. Nobody from Nowhere not only wants to f^ck your wife, he want's to f^ck you too.

In the wallet.

Bob said...

Hey, isn't Walker going to jail? I heard that from Garage.

Alex, a lot of companies that move pull out very detailed spreadsheets on costs of relocating. The funny corelation is high taxes seems to inflate all business costs (fuel, water, land, labor, electricity) which makes for more expensive operating costs. Walker seems to understand that and IL governing class not-so-much.

garage mahal said...

If I may, I'll soften my remark by saying Obama/Timmay et al are miserable failures too.

Michael Haz said...

Funny how Ann doesn't mention Wisconsin ranks 42nd in job creation. Great job there Walker/Koch.

If Obama can blame Bush for everything bad, Walker gets to blame Jim Doyle.

It's Doyle's fault, Alex! Doyle!

Rusty said...

Alex said...
Scott Walker doesn't know how to create jobs.

That's what the private sector is for.

MadisonMan said...

My state taxes are about $4K per year. In that context, I wonder what significant is.

My property tax dropped $1K this year. That was about an 11% decrease.

Tim said...

garage mahal said...

"If I may, I'll soften my remark by saying Obama/Timmay et al are miserable failures too."

Indeed so.

Geithner almost single-handedly destroyed the equity Tim Linsecum and, if I may say so, so many other Tim's and I put into the name "Tim."

Geithner honored nothing but sheer expediency; for himself, and then the man for whom he worked.

m stone said...

Kudos to garage for his honesty.

purplepenquin said...

Hey, isn't Walker going to jail?

Funny you should ask about that today,
'cause another one of his aides was just sentenced for the crimes she committed while working for him.

Here is a post from another blog that explains what will most likely be happening in the upcoming months. Tho, I agree with 'em that Walker may not be "John Doe", and instead he might roll-over on someone else higher up...

Michael Haz said...

It's hard to believe that some people are made angry by tax reductions. It makes no sense.

Nothing preventing you from sending in a few extra percent, if you think higher taxes are better.

Gov. Jindal has proposed eliminating all state income tax and replacing it with a 7% sales tax.

Damn fine idea. Tennessee already has a similar arrangement and it works well. It's fair. No loopholes, and the more you earn, the more you pay, most likely.

We need that in Wisconsin.

Michael said...

PurpleP: Holy Double Secret Grand Jury!!! Walker is going to get the ham sandwich treatment? Garage is not on this? Better alert him pronto.

purplepenquin said...

the more you earn, the more you pay

Actually, the more you consume the more you pay...which is the way it should be.

I've been pushing for the FairTax for quite a while now, and would love to see it on a national level as well as the state.

Bob said...

The Fairtax is something I can live with. One side benefit is it is simple so the average person can understand it. That simplicity also means less ability for politicians to add sweetners for their donors.

purplepenquin said...

Walker is going to get the ham sandwich treatment?

???

I haven't listened to Limbaugh for a while so I'm not as up-to-date on the slang some folks like to use...(It took me a long time before I realized that "Little Black Jesus" was a reference to our President rather than one of our fellow commentators! lol)...and Wiki makes it even more confusing.

If it is a reference to jail time, well then you should know that things have changed since you were last in. Inmates don't get much ham anymore; the sandwiches are baloney.

garage mahal said...

Turbo Tax Timmay left us in great shape. Such vision.

David said...

That will help when the Federal Congress decided to bail out Illinois, California and the other Blue Screw You states.

Plus I do not think he is referring to property taxes, which are ridiculously high in Wisconsin.

MadisonMan said...

Gov. Jindal has proposed eliminating all state income tax and replacing it with a 7% sales tax.

Damn fine idea. Tennessee already has a similar arrangement and it works well. It's fair. No loopholes, and the more you earn, the more you pay, most likely.

I suspect the fear is that the income tax comes back at some point in the future, and then you're left with both income and sales. After all, the people who want to get rid of the Income Tax and replace it with Sales aren't going to be in power forever.

Bruce Hayden said...

Semi-automatic rifles are excellent for hunting wild hogs.

Caught someone the other day on radio (I think) raving about how well their .223 caliber AR-type semiautomatic rifle worked hunting feral pigs. And, yes, with "high capacity" magazines of > 10 rounds.

Seeing Red said...

That would make LA the 8th state with no income tax. Hmmm, that might draw seniors.

Ohh, I think I kind of figured out this tracking precious metal stuff.

I read corrections - it sounds like it also covers those gold parties people are having.

mikee said...

If you're using "hog wild" you should know about the phrase Lewis Grizzard used in a column to describe a young male who just purchased a new pickup truck:

"faunching around like a peach orchard boar"

I don't know what faunching means, I have purposefully avoided looking it up, but if you don't understand the phrase you have never lived life to its fullest.

mikee said...

Response to Alex way up the thread:

I lived in Maryland for a decade, and eventually wised up and moved to Texas.

I had a choice of moving to NY, CA or TX, for jobs of about equal pay.

Moving to NY or CA meant about equal tax burden. TX has no state income tax, just property tax and sales taxes.

Yes I did the calculations. On a $75k annual salary, I was saving about 15% of my total income per year moving to TX compared to staying in MD or going to CA or NY.

I wonder every once in a while why I stayed in MD for 10 years, and thank God daily that I'm in Texas now.

Jake Diamond said...

This here white man had just gone hog wild. He were butting his head against the side of this brick wall.

That would explain most of edumbshit's symptoms.