April 21, 2013

Why wasn't Tamerlan Tsarnaev on the FBI's watch list when he returned after 6 months in Russia?

On Today's Fox News Sunday:
CHRIS WALLACE, host: What do you make of the fact, because of a Russian request, the FBI interrogated the older brother Tamerlan back in 2011 about his ties to radical Islam. They found out he was not a threat.... [W]hat do you make of the interrogation? And what about the fact that when he returned after six months in Russia, he apparently was not on an FBI watch list?

CONGRESSMAN PETER KING: ... [W]here the FBI is given information about someone as being potential terrorists, they look at them, and then they don't take action. And they go out and carry out murders after this. So, again, I'm wondering, again, is there something deficient here? What was wrong? Again, there was nothing they could find in 2011. He goes to Chechnya in 2012. He has statements up on his Web site. He's talking about radical imams. Why didn't the FBI go back and look at that?... [I]s far as getting information in advance and not seeming to take proper action, this is the fifth case I'm aware of where the FBI has failed to stop someone who ultimately became a terrorist murderer....
Later in the show, Wallace interviews Philip Mudd, a terrorist expert with experience in the CIA, the National Security Council, and the FBI.
WALLACE: Was there any kind of a breakdown here in our national security operation, and specifically with regard to the FBI? Are you troubled by the fact that they were alerted by the Russians to the older brother, they interviewed him, decided he was not a threat, he goes to Russia, he comes back, and they don't seem to have him on a watch list?

PHILIP MUDD: No, I'm not troubled by this for several reasons. First, people fail to consider the implications of false positives. You look at one guy we could have gotten, but you forget the other 10,000 that would have come into the net if we look at a person like this every day. So, I look at this and say, you know, these kinds of things happen, but I suspect it wasn't a dropped ball here.
10,000 caught in the net every day? Every year? Every decade? When the FBI goes as far as it did on Tamerlan Tsarnaev, shouldn't the case be tagged in a way that would cause it to reopen when something happens that is as significant as 6 months in Russia — even if there would be 10,000 files subject to reopening? If we have to worry about "sleeper cells," why don't we monitor these characters and do something  when they engage in behavior typical of planning or training? But I don't know that the FBI doesn't do these things. Mudd seems intent on deflecting our attention from past FBI failings.

Wallace presses him: "[D]o you see any way you could have prevented these two guys?"
MUDD: Well, I mean, we're going to have to see what kind of foreign connections they have, whether the travel to Russia last year actually meant something. But what I see so far says we've got two kids who are in a closed radical circle. Breaking that circle in a state like ours that is an open society is virtually impossible.

WALLACE: What is your sense -- and I understand this is speculation, but informed speculation -- were they acting alone, part of a group, and do you see any Al Qaeda fingerprints on this?

MUDD: The only fingerprint I've seen might possibly have been ideology, but not operations. Every step of the way was pretty rudimentary. For example, if you look at some of those initial photos, you've got a kid with a hoodie and a cap. If he wants to obscure himself, the hoodie goes on, and the cap goes forward. If he had operational training, I want to know who did it because they were amateurs.
Two kids who are in a closed radical circle... An open society....

Don't expect the government to protect you from everything in our free society. That's a talking point. I heard it from Senator Dick Durbin this morning on "Meet the Press":
GREGORY: Do you have questions about the FBI’s tracking of the older suspect here who is now dead and whether something was missed?

SEN. DURBIN: Of course I do. And I think we should ask those questions. That’s our responsibility. But I listened to [Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee] Mike Rogers and I thought he laid it out as a former FBI agent himself as to what we were faced with when we were asked these hard questions. We’ve got to make sure as well, let me add David, that we give to the intelligence and law enforcement agencies, federal, state, and local, the resources they need to keep America safe. We live in a dangerous world. We live also in a free and open society, which we value very much. In order to keep Americans safe at the marathon, at every other public event, we need to invest the resources that are necessary for law enforcement.
I laughed at this point, because it was such knee-jerk Democratic Party response: We need to invest the resources. Spend more money. No one on their side ever fails. They were always only deprived of enough money. The FBI has been well-funded over the years, though presumably they could always hire more people and so forth. But the question is whether they did enough here and are doing enough in similar cases.
GREGORY: Is that a call in fact for re-examination of whether additional resources are needed to-- to look at homegrown terror and the potential for smaller boar attacks that can only be deterred by the strength of law enforcement and engaged citizenry?
Smaller boar attacks! Gregory didn't transcribe his own question, but somebody at NBC doesn't know enough about guns.





Gregory is responsible, however, for the inanity of his question. Is this a call for more money? Durbin's answer — "It is" — is as short as he can possibly make it, and Gregory doesn't stop him from gratuitously plugging in his prepared remarks about immigration. This is really shameless:
SEN. DURBIN: It is. But let me add one other element. Let me bring it up to date with the agenda of the Senate. I’ll return tomorrow for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s second hearing on the new immigration reform bill. Let me put it in context. There are four specific provisions in this immigration reform bill that will make America safer. We are going to have a stronger border with Mexico. We are going to have 11 million people come forward and have an opportunity to register with our government, out of the shadows. We’re going to have verification of employment in the work place. And we’re finally going to have a system where we can track visa holders who visit the United States to make sure that they leave when they’re supposed to. So this is part of the ongoing conversation about a safer America and the immigration reform bill moves us closer.
Does that have anything to do with terrorist attacks? Gregory gets his next question right:
GREGORY: Do you fear an impact similar to what we saw after 9/11 that derailed immigration reform. Already, you’ve heard Senator Grassley talk about, you know, loopholes in the immigration system, whether, you know, leniencies of student visas. Are there going to be concerns here related to the Boston attacks that you think impact the immigration debate?
Of course, the immigration proposal, the next item on the legislative agenda, just happens to answer these questions Durbin would have us believe:
SEN. DURBIN: I’ll just put it on the line. I’ve been involved with the eight senators who have put this bill together, Democrats and Republicans. The worst thing we can do is nothing. If we do nothing, leaving 11 million people in the shadows, not making our border safer, not having the information that comes from employment and these visa holders, we will be less safe in America. Immigration reform will make us safer. And I hope that those who are critical of it will just come forward and say what their idea is. We’ve come up with a sound plan to keep this country safe.
The worst thing we can do is nothing. So the best you've got is the assertion that your plan is better than nothing — is it? — and the baseless insinuation that the 11 million people in the shadows are central to the fight against terror.

79 comments:

Tim said...

Easy.

He wasn't a white male, veteran of the U.S. military and service overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan...or a Tea Party Member.

FBI agents are surely sensitized to the Administration's reaction to Hasan shootings at Ft. Hood; the prospect of a terrorist act is much less than the discipline that would surely follow from profiling Muslim males too aggressively.

They also know Columbia will need professors in the future, so interrupting the requisite resume-building of planting bombs to kill people just isn't cool.

chickelit said...

The red flag here (pardon the pun) is that the Russians warned us to keep an eye on this guy. How often does that happen?

Unknown said...

So we have many thousands employed in useless TSA activity, but we cannot spare the resources to keep track of folks that Russian intelligence tells us are dangerous

Unknown said...

So we have many thousands employed in useless TSA activity, but we cannot spare the resources to keep track of folks that Russian intelligence tells us are dangerous

cubanbob said...

Ann in case you forgot, you voted for these clowns.


As for Durban, he never misses an opportunity to make an ass of himself. But right now as it stand, the immigration bill is dead.

Ann Althouse said...

"Ann in case you forgot, you voted for these clowns."

Which ones?

I don't think I did.

FleetUSA said...

The U.S. government is notoriously bad with IT systems. So how can have an effective system that once they interview a potential terrorist and pass, they can't have a follow up file? Duh.

Every commercial enterprise I've know can do it. Just look at salesmen.

These guys at a minimum should have been on at least a watch if traveling list if not a no fly list.

FleetUSA said...

p.s. It is sad to see the Democrats automatically go to the CYA position. Almost like "bend over" or else. Embarrassing.

chickelit said...

Preventing another Boston style terrorist attack requires that the US Government acknowledge who the enemy is and adjust its rules of engagement accordingly.

Cody Jarrett said...

I think Tim answered the question as well and as completely as it deserves to be answered; all other posts are just going to be window dressing.

Except this one. This one matters, naturally.

Tits.

dreams said...

"Which ones?"

I think he was thinking of the clown-in-chief who isn't any different only maybe worse.

bagoh20 said...

"The U.S. government is notoriously bad with IT systems"

Wait until it directly coordinates all your health care (1/6th of the economy).


Obama's gonna change it.
Obama's gonna lead 'em.
We're gonna change it.
And rearrange it.
We're gonna change the world.

Ann Althouse said...

"I think he was thinking of the clown-in-chief who isn't any different only maybe worse."

I didn't vote for him twice.

jimbino said...

It may be that they are on the "no-fly" list. It is my opinion that anyone placed on the no-fly list and deprived of legal recourse has every right to wreak havoc on the US gummint and those who are presumed to vote to maintain it.

Rob said...

"We need to invest the resources. . . ."

". . . part of the ongoing conversation about a safer America . . . ."

blah, blah, blah . . . .

Dick Durbin: what a boar. I mean boor. No, let me get this right: what a bore.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Speaking of Titus, doesn't he live in Boston? Has he come out from under his bed yet?

Revenant said...

It is impossible to appraise these sorts of things out of context. How MANY warnings does the FBI get? How many people look into them? Etc, etc.

People have this boundless faith that the government CAN prevent problems, but even the most paranoid totalitarian regimes still can't keep tabs on all dissidents.

the wolf said...

So at this point it would be far shorter to list the things the FBI is doing effectively regarding terrorism. This guy did everything that should have gotten him caught save for having "TERRORIST" tattooed on his damn forehead and they still did nothing.

viator said...

Don't worry, the FBI didn't have the resources because they were busy investigating the real danger - The Tea Party.

Republican said...

Saw Mudd on Chris Wallace, & thought he must be a wackadoo.

Would like to know which Bostonians he believes worked in the closed radical circle to indoctrinate & teach older brother how to make pressure-cooker bombs, etc.

Would like to know where he got the idea terrorists would pull their hoodie & cover face with ball cap only if they were working in conjunction with broad group.

Ridiculous.

Alex said...

FBI agents are surely sensitized to the Administration's reaction to Hasan shootings at Ft. Hood; the prospect of a terrorist act is much less than the discipline that would surely follow from profiling Muslim males too aggressively.

This is 100% truth. Obama issued an edict that this kind of PC thinking will be enforced at the pain of dismissal.

Republican said...

(When is the FBI going to get into the Internet game, and figure out they can Google, Youtube, and Facebook people?)

Besides Tea Partyers & Republicans, I mean.

m stone said...

Tracking 11 million new immigrants should be easy compared to tracking visitors to Russia, especially those pesky 200 Chechens here now.

Known Unknown said...

Don't expect the government to protect you from everything in our free society.

And don't expect to protect yourself, either.

John henry said...

Remember 2003 or so? everyone saying 9/11 was Bushs fault because he did not act on a 4 year old report that said somepne,somewhere, sometime miht hijacking an aorloner?

lets subject Obama to the same standard.

john Henry

edutcher said...

Thank you, Madame.

The "expert" is up there with the ones telling us it was because of Tax Day.

and I love the quote from the Dick from IL: Don't expect the government to protect you from everything in our free society

I thought that was the whole reason for the Democrat Party.

Especially their rationale for gun grabbing.

FleetUSA said...

The U.S. government is notoriously bad with IT systems. So how can have an effective system that once they interview a potential terrorist and pass, they can't have a follow up file? Duh.

Can't speak for the Feds as a whole, but I can tell you the IRS is very good when it comes to IT.

SteveR said...

The 10,000 line renders him useless as an expert or even to have a reasoned opinion.

The answer to everything is spend more money.

MikeinAppalachia said...

Is there something involved in verifying employment, tracking visa holders for overstaying, and improving border security that requires an "Immigration Reform"?
What is there about securing our borders that requires a virtual amnesty for those able to avoid it at some prior time?

Ann Althouse said...

"Saw Mudd on Chris Wallace, & thought he must be a wackadoo."

We laughed at his facial expressions and demeanor. He seemed really weirdly cranked up. We kept pausing and imitating him. We thought he was kind of like Chris Farley playing a coach and kind of like Jimmy Iovine saying what the American Idol contestant needs to do with her next performance.

Amartel said...

I can barely watch these shows anymore. You have to dig down through the presenters' bullshit and biases to even get to the guests' bullshit and biases.

Cody Jarrett said...

AJ Lynch said...

Speaking of Titus, doesn't he live in Boston? Has he come out from under his bed yet?


He was posting admiringly about the "packages" wielded by the cops on Friday evening.

That, of course, might have sent him back to bed.

tim maguire said...
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cubanbob said...

Ann Althouse said...
"Ann in case you forgot, you voted for these clowns."

Which ones?

I don't think I did.

4/21/13, 2:35 PM

In 2008 for Zero.

cubanbob said...

Dick Durbin: what a boar. I mean boor. No, let me get this right: what a bore.

Amazingly he is all of the above.

Eric said...

"Mudd spelled backwards is dumb"

Bugs Bunny

Hagar said...

No one can "keep America safe."
You have to go out after the SOB's and convince them they had not ought to do that.

Gospace said...

"EMD said...
Don't expect the government to protect you from everything in our free society.

And don't expect to protect yourself, either."

Let me correct that last sentence.

And don't expect to BE ALLOWED to protect yourself, either. You are too stupid and ignorant and untrustworthy to be trusted with guns and magazines and clips and all that dangerous stuff. Only professional government agents should have that stuff.

And BTW, that's not my thinking. Look at the Maureen Dowd piece elsewhere on Althouse- that's her schtick, and the administration's.

Unknown said...

jimbino said...
It may be that they are on the "no-fly" list. It is my opinion that anyone placed on the no-fly list and deprived of legal recourse has every right to wreak havoc on the US gummint and those who are presumed to vote to maintain it.

Short step down slippery slope.
That 8 year old had nothing to do with a no fly list.
If/when you get to wreaking havoc have the decency to wreak on the people actually responsible.

David-2 said...

FleetUSA and bagoh20 pointed out that the US Govt is terrible at IT projects, and how that portends mucho failure for Obamacare. For sure. To tie this back into this case and the FBI, consider that the FBI pissed away $170 million on a case file management system before admitting failure - BTW, a case file management system is what businesses around the world call salesforce.com. They then went ahead and spent $451 million on a replacement which was also overbudget and late - apparently it isn't a total failure though, so the FBI has that going for it. (Not that the FBI is the only agency with massive IT failures; there's also Social Security, the IRS, the Air Force, the FAA, etc. etc.)

That money could presumably have been used to hire some additional agents and pay for their training.

Anyway, I doubt that lack of FBI agents was the problem here in following up on Tsarnaev. I think the problem was that the institution didn't really want to spend much effort on Islamic terrorism: The fish rots from the top.

Hagar said...

The FBI is not in charge of passports or tracking border crossings. That is the State Department and the Homeland Security Dept., etc. All of these would have to be tied into the same computer system and work together.
Lots of luck with that!

Dante said...

It seems to me these guys are small fry. Sure, they killed some people, maimed some people, but it isn't the kind of terror attack that is going to do anything but stiffen American resolve.

My question is why not ban any further Muslim immigrants? They seem to have a pretty good record of spreading terrorism around the world, and I fail to see why an immigrant Muslim ought to have immigration rights over the safety of the American people, even if it isn't fair. So what? The whole reason for government is to protect the people.

Meanwhile, we ought to develop our own massive oil resources, quickly.

In parallel, we ought to really start messing with the Muslim sects, to get them turned inward on themselves. Get the violent sects fighting each other for a change. And wait until the religion matures enough so that it (in the collective sense) is no longer virulent. Then we can re-open immigration.

I suppose it's merely a sign of the times that such an obvious use of government resources isn't possible.

Hagar said...

Especially since Maureen Dowd is quite right; Obama does not know how to govern. Nor is he interested. That is not what he does.

Brian Brown said...

Since we are told by the left that Bush is to blame for:

1. The 9/11/01 attacks
2. The abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib

And it is a fact that the FBI interviewed this young man and closed the file during the Obama Presidency, why isn't this attack an example of an Obama failure? He was asleep at the wheel on 4/15/13, right?

edutcher said...

For those interested, a specific timeline of how we got here.

also, a threat from Joker's Daddy.

PS and somewhat OT:

a rejoinder to the COEXIST nonsense.

JAL said...

Somewhere on the net in the past few days is the info that the FBI REMOVED from its terrorist training manuals info on Islamism, Muslim, Hamas, sharia law, etc.

Now THAT might be a start for Sen. Durbin. How much money did it cost to rewrite the training manuals to *exclude* Islamic terror?

#1 thing we do to start with is get CAIR the hell out of the US policy making and get real.

I attended a workshop last week on Shari'ah law.

This is not going to stop because Philip Mudd or Sen. Durbin want to shift our attention to ooops! TEN THOUSAND false positives!! Oh my! (10,000 Muslims who the Russians have tagged take off from work in the US, leave a wife and baby and spend 6 months back home in terror riddled Chenya?)

Or getting 11 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows."

These guys were in broad daylight and were "legal."

Rabel said...

Philip Mudd is the great-great grandson of a more notorious Mudd.

edutcher said...

JAL said...

Somewhere on the net in the past few days is the info that the FBI REMOVED from its terrorist training manuals info on Islamism, Muslim, Hamas, sharia law, etc.

See the timeline link in my comment just above yours.

ricpic said...

The fish rots from the head. Obama, Holder, Napolitano, to name just a few, they don't want to see Islamic terrorism. Their underlings make it go away.

DavidH said...


Can't speak for the Feds as a whole, but I can tell you the IRS is very good when it comes to IT.


The IRS sucks when it comes to IT. You could have monkeys doing better fraud prevention.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/irs-may-issue-26-billion-in-fraudulent-tax-refunds-watchdog-tells-congress/2012/05/07/gIQAjmcs8T_blog.html

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/bobbeauprez/2013/03/30/irs-knowingly-sends-billions-in-fraudulent-refunds-to-illegal-immigrants-n1553242

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-03-22/news/os-irs-tax-refund-fraud-20130322_1_fraudulent-tax-refunds-identity-theft-refund-checks

edutcher said...

DavidH said...

Can't speak for the Feds as a whole, but I can tell you the IRS is very good when it comes to IT.


The IRS sucks when it comes to IT. You could have monkeys doing better fraud prevention.


Maybe, but the IRS was a lot more highly automated than most Federal agencies and, at least where I was, had some excellent people.

Granted, we're talking 20 years ago.

mariner said...
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Rosalyn C. said...

I don't know if you already know this, but the FBI and other counter terrorism agencies have been instructed to remove any mention of Jihad and Islam in their training manuals. This was done at the insistence of groups like the Council of American Islamic Relations, CAIR, and others.
So the facts that Tamerlan became devout and posted radical Islamic clerics on his facebook would not be permitted to be considered in marking him as a terrorist threat.

Bruce Hayden said...

But right now as it stand, the immigration bill is dead.

Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. But, anyone who has an inclination to vote against the Band of Eight and their recommendations, this can be used as a justification. (Of course, from what we know already, the legislation has some major problems). This is a good example of why we need to secure our borders first, before legalizing north of ten million illegals.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Are you troubled by the fact that they were alerted by the Russians to the older brother, they interviewed him, decided he was not a threat, he goes to Russia, he comes back, and they don't seem to have him on a watch list?

Its obviously not the size of the chart or nothing to do with how the chart is arranged... but a more fundamental question of what are these bumblers doing to keep us safe.

All the people we put in charge of keeping us safe appear to have done is make a bigger chart.

What I'm reading and watching is that Nothing has fundamentally changed since 9/11.

Anil Petra said...

Yes, Obama's FBI had one of them in custody, and let him go. And he was not on their terrorist watch list.

You can argue this means nothing, if you live inside the Democrat echo bubble. In fact, it raises huge issues about Obama's governance in the age of terror.

Worse, these immigrant terrorists were in the country only because of the family unification amendments written by Boston native son Ted Kennedy, their vast expansion by Bill Clinton's Justice Department (via Janet Reno), and Obama's rush to naturalize so many before the 2012 elections.

Democrats in their uncontrolled lust for a "permanent majority" are complicit in the death of so many native American born victims in Boston.

And thanks to these Democrat policies, the immigrant terrorist "sleeper" and likely agent of foreign interests has a lawyer and the full spectrum of constitutional rights, will get a "criminal" trial, and can't properly be treated as an alien combatant.

tom swift said...

I'm not sure we can reasonably expect the FBI to have been all over this guy after they looked at him the first time. A subsequent six month sojourn in Russia is not, by itself, any great reason for suspicion. Russia is basically much like Europe - decent public transportation, weird telephones, marginal plumbing, ghastly television. Iran? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Maybe. But Russia, probably not. The only suspicious thing I see there is how the family could qualify for refugee status when the place obviously isn't all that dangerous for a later visit.

Nomadic100 said...

What amazed me was that a number of residents of Cambridge (where I used to live years ago) were mystified as to how two young men, raised in the rarefied, halcyon environment of Cambridge (much less the Boston region), as loving, diverse, and accepting as it is, might grow up to become terrorists! Surely there is some error! They misread the tea leaves. They failed to imbibe the multicultural water. Something went terribly wrong! It is the fault of the culture! The high school missed an opportunity it should have recognized. The poor boys were failed somehow.

The real answer is simple: It's Islam.

Michael Ryan said...

Is there something about the name Tamerlan (or Tamerlame, or Timur the Lame) that our security people don't understand? That, in itself, should have put the whole family on a watchlist.

Lyle said...

I can't believe that the media and all of us can talk about white supremacists, but the media is pretty much incapable of saying Islamist or violent Islamist, or Muslim extremist. All CNN has up today is radicalization and jihadists. Nothing about Salafism or Wahhabism even.

Jesus Christ our society is fucked up.

edutcher said...

Nomadic100 said...

What amazed me was that a number of residents of Cambridge (where I used to live years ago) were mystified as to how two young men, raised in the rarefied, halcyon environment of Cambridge (much less the Boston region), as loving, diverse, and accepting as it is, might grow up to become terrorists! Surely there is some error! They misread the tea leaves. They failed to imbibe the multicultural water. Something went terribly wrong! It is the fault of the culture! The high school missed an opportunity it should have recognized. The poor boys were failed somehow.

The real answer is simple: It's Islam.


No, it's Leftism. They taught these kids they weren't Americans and didn't want to be.

You see the same thing in Europe.

Mutaman said...

"We laughed at his facial expressions and demeanor. He seemed really weirdly cranked up. We kept pausing and imitating him. We thought he was kind of like Chris Farley playing a coach and kind of like Jimmy Iovine saying what the American Idol contestant needs to do with her next performance."

Did you notice that the letters "n*i*g" were clearly obvious in the folds of his suit?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

No, it's Leftism. They taught these kids they weren't Americans and didn't want to be.

I interpret the trip to Russia as an indicator that the older brother 'needed' to go somewhere else to get something he couldn't get here.

Whatever I may say about what the left gets wrong (and there is a lot) I don't equate them with the nihilism, fatalism of Queada et al.

In order for me to make that link I would want leftist and Islamist sitting down and planning these things. Short of that...

I mean, isn't that what pisses us off that the leftist and their media supporters do? when they lump conservatives, tea parties and republicans with racists and homophobes?

Just because they do it, doesn't mean is ok for us to do it.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I interpret the trip to Russia as an indicator that the older brother 'needed' to go somewhere else to get something he couldn't get here.

Let me be clear!

I'm not saying that we are here in the clear of these people... I'm not saying there aren't any cells in hells kitchen right now colluding to pull something off.

What I am saying is that it appears more difficult for that kind of brain washing 'needed' in order for a person to convince himself, to turn himself into a terrorist... it appears difficult for that kind of schooling to take root in this country.

For me its a sign that freedom is its own... best sales rep?

(I'm channeling the Maureen Dowd column)

30yearProf said...

Even the FBI is pussyfooting around because . . . he's Muslim.

AS long as they raise an outcry, the US Government is afraid to investigate.

Thank you Barack.

chickelit said...

30yearProf said...
Even the FBI is pussyfooting around because . . . he's Muslim.

AS long as they raise an outcry, the US Government is afraid to investigate.

Thank you Barack.


60+ years of sending them $ for oil and what do you expect? They stockpiled it to buy influence. We're making the same mistake with China, IMO, which will play out differently.

chickelit said...

Just remember that we are the Saudi Arabia of coal.

jim said...

Little off the major FBI topic, but relating to Durbin's "in the shadows " comment. Just come on down to any Texas Walmart on the weekend, and you will see nothin' but sunshine!

Anonymous said...

The real answer is simple: It's Islam.

No, it's Leftism


Stop! You're both right. It's a breath mint and a candy mint.

(Though I lean more to the the Islam explanation. The older brother had a radical Islam diatribes on his Youtube playlist, not Bill Ayer and Bernardine Dohrn.)

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Whatever happened to - failure followed resignations?

I cant remember the last time somebody resigned because they screwed the pooch.

No resignations is their way of saying 'everything that could have been done was done to prevent this'.

Its really fucking insulting.

Michael K said...

" “I want to be perfectly clear about this: training materials that portray Islam as a religion of violence or with a tendency towards violence are wrong, they are offensive, and they are contrary to everything that this president, this attorney general and Department of Justice stands for. They will not be tolerated.”"

The FBI blew it on Lee Harvey Oswald, also. They got the Warren Commission to edit out all references to that failure. That will happen again unless there is another major attack soon.

Michael K said...

"
Can't speak for the Feds as a whole, but I can tell you the IRS is very good when it comes to IT."

I don't think so. My experience has been the opposite but I do not wish to disclose details.

JAL said...

@ tom swift The only suspicious thing I see there is how the family could qualify for refugee status when the place obviously isn't all that dangerous for a later visit.

Do not confuse Russia with Europe. Look at a map of Russia and you will see that Chechnya is in the far south surrounded by independent countries which were able to break away from Russia when the USSR fell apart.

To complicate it Chechnya is largely Muslim, and beyond that has known extremists and some al Qaeda connections from decades ago.

In 2004 Chechen rebels took over a school and held more than 1100 hostages. In the end 380+ were killed with well over 300 of those children who were shot in the back or in the face.

There is recent, regular terrorism occuring in Russia done by Chechnyans, a combination of political and religious extremist reasonse.

They are a huge and dangerous problem, hence they are closely watched by Russia. (With only spotty success, it appears.)

Chechnyan Terrorism in Russia in addition to the Beslan masacre (and a Moscow theater takeover earlier in which the Russians killed many of the hostages in an attempt to kill the terrorists):

2004 (Moscow's big airport - 2 planes down 89 dead)
2009 (train - 26 dead)
2010 (subway - 38 dead)
2011 (airport again - 38 dead ~ 100 injured).

The M.O. of Boston is similar.

So yeah -- you can bet the Russians are watching -- better than we.

(Can you imagine if this were going on in the US?)

Anthony said...

That wiuld be racial profiling and just be wrong.

DEEBEE said...

Clearly the half-life of connecting the dots is less than 11 years.

furious_a said...

How MANY warnings does the FBI get? How many people look into them? Etc, etc.

...and -- credit where it's due -- how many domestic attacks never took place because of intercepts about which we've never heard?

FBI needs to run down how the Bros. Tsarnaev were missed so that they can update policy, but it shouldn't mutate into blamestorming and scalp-hunting.

Unknown said...

what it will do to low-skill workers — disproportionately black — who are already in the United States - Instapundit comment. May I suggest an answer: Give Obama his 9.00 minimum wage but with an amendment.. 10% off for age 19, 20% for 18 down to 50% for age 15. As an employer, wouldn't you hire a kid for $4.50 to sweep the floor, when you'd let it go rather than pay an adult $9.00? Milton Friedman raised this issue fifty years ago. Time to heed!

Aaron said...

Why interview people at all if we are so worried about false positives that we don't follow through?

Aaron said...

I wish the IRS had this fear of false positives.

Aaron said...

Banning Muslim immigration would be unfair to the 99.9% who are not terror-curious.

Though it might send a signal to Islam that it should really get serious about the problem.

"My nephew is not allowed to go to Stanford!!!!!!"

Bet we'd just get more crazy backlash. Many foreigners think being allowed into America is a right. No joke. I was in a country that had punitive taxes levied on foreigners and made us report the cops every 6 months and get fingerprinted, and these people were whining about not enough green cards for their relatives.