July 6, 2013

9 things Freeman Hunt said...

... in the comments at "If men did this to women..." (##1-5) and at "A somewhat dismissive response" (##6-9):

1. "When I was growing up, the prevailing sex ed was that you, male or female, were wholly responsible for your own birth control and that you should never assume or believe that the other person was taking care of it. That's not the prevailing wisdom anymore?"

2. "Maybe all those traditionally religious people don't hate sex--maybe they have all those prohibitions on sex outside marriage for some other reason... It's like there was a plan for all of this or something."

3. "Odd. This thread is odd. Are some people furious because (1) Althouse suggests men don't go depositing sperm around women they don't love and would despise having children with or because (2) Althouse/the law being in favor of/upholding abortion rights?"

4. In sarcastic imitation of other commenters: "I don't wanna have babies with the skanks I like to hose down with my sperm. Those disposable tramps I bed should be drawn and quartered if they try to pull a fast one on a fine, upstanding guy like me. Just where do these no-good, dishonest women I make love to get off?"

5. About my supposedly "nasty" taunting of males who claim victimhood over their loss of control over the sperm they've released into the wild: "Heh. Oddly enough, I think that was intended to be encouraging. It's encouraging this idea that a person can be more than an animal who ruts around with whoever, even those he doesn't like or know, more than a careless, appetite feeding beast. I think it was an invitation to the recognition of the divine spark in man."

6. "I'd imagine that Althouse, Instapundit, and Dr. Helen are perfectly capable of arguing intensely about an issue and not taking it personally. Surely anyone who comments here, of all places, does the same on a regular basis!"

7. "How many of us have had it out, ripped each other apart rhetorically and gotten on perfectly well afterward? That's one of the best things about this place."

8. "As for my opinion on this small controversy: This is good. This victim man stuff was hitting a tipping point of absurdity, so the push back is well timed.  I write that as someone who adores men and was raised mostly by her father. And I'm proud to say that my dearly departed father would never have advocated such a base vision for manhood, this vision that sees man as a pathetic beast who throws his sperm about with abandon and needs protecting from the women he beds."

9. "@Freeman: It's actually a venerable academic tradition. I learned about it firsthand from an oldtimer and wrote about it here. I thought about bringing up the fact that it's a hallmark of healthy academia. Whenever you see it slide in academia, the result is less rigorous work and meagerness of mind."

257 comments:

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Phil 3:14 said...

Freeman Hunt stands tall, above the muck and mire of another 300+ comment thread on sex in America.

edutcher said...

Freeman is one of the best, and classiest, commenters here.

Good she gets some recognition.

TML said...

"runts around" made me laugh. Good stuff though. Yes, indeed, those "religious" folk might actually be on to something. Take away consequences for almost everything and what do you get? Sperm hosing. And, to be fair, sperm hoovering.

dreams said...

A lot of us can agree with that or most of it but when someone feels he has been wronged are treated unfairly, he or she has a right to take up for him/herself and I don't think when they do that they are whining.

Inga said...

And she is in agreement with Althouse, let's not gloss that over.

dreams said...

"And she is in agreement with Althouse, let's not gloss that over."

Then I respectfully disagree.

Phil 3:14 said...

Couldn't find the clip on YouTube but these threads remind me of one of the many great lines from the movie "Body Heat"

Matty: [to Ned] You aren't too smart, are you? I like that in a man.
Ned: What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got 'em all.
Matty: You don't look lazy.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

It's a shame that Althouse couldn't manage to express many of the same concepts as Freeman with anything like Freeman's charity, clarity and lack of pretension.

Ann Althouse said...

"It's a shame that Althouse couldn't manage..."

In the end it wasn't shame, but a TOTAL VICTORY...

I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.

At some point, lying about on the psychiatrist's couch is just stupid. Now, get up and do something useful.

dreams said...

Althouse's parent personality is dominate lately.

dreams said...

Althouse is becoming a legend in her own mind, She has proclaimed herself the victor.

Phil 3:14 said...

The real Althouse shows up.

dreams said...

I've noticed liberals just aren't as smart as they think they are.

MayBee said...

Freeman has grace, logic, and an openness to discussion. She does not like to taunt or diminish.

I do not always agree with her, but she is admirable. Her good traits do not automatically transfer to those who do agree with her.

Inga said...

I've been waiting a while for the "real" Althouse. I'm glad I was witness to her coming out", lol!

Kick ass!

VanderDouchen said...

I have read the posts referenced here, and was actually going to post in one of the other threads about how I was disappointed with the personal attacks that took place within them, but it appears Ms. Thouse was soliciting that type of commentary.

In reference to the realities, I've been married over 30 years to a hard headed woman who pushes to make me a better man, and accepts my failings without remorse. I chased and captured more than my fair share of strange as a yute, until my wife caught me. My son, on the other hand, does not chase strange; he focuses on his education, his sports, and his friends. Women are an insignificant part of his life, even though I've provided him the vehicle to the ultimate pussy party. He doesn't think there are many good ones out there, so far, he is proving correct. So much for civilization.

In keeping with the tone of the last posts, I'll just be despicable and get personal. My mother has saying about Germans: "The men are ugly and the women stink."

FleetUSA said...

I always enjoy the comments of wise Freeman and our dear Professor.

Just part of the fun to come here several times a day and catch up on the discussions and banter.

MayBee said...


I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.


One thing Freeman Hunt did not say.

Sorun said...

I'm strangely reminded me of this Sarah Silverman joke.

Anyhoo, I love Althouse, even though...

ndspinelli said...

There are women who can kick ass. I LOVE women who can. My first boss was a female chief prosecutor who could chew you up and spit you out. Women usually do it w/ humor, toughness absent nastiness, and intellectual honesty. You are 0 for 3, Annie. I can never remember any self deprecating humor from you..I mean never. That's a red flag for me.

ndspinelli said...

Freeman Hunt has too much class to proclaim she "needed to kick some ass." Those who TRULY kick ass don't talk about it, they just do it, and don't brag about it.

Inga said...

I'm so glad we aren't all clones of one another, how boring would that be? Not to diminish Freeman in any way, but it takes a personality like Althouse's to have had as a succesful blog as she has had for so long.

Being "nice" does not always cut mustard.

glenn said...

Dad sed "If you shoot a beaver you gotta be ready to eat it"

dreams said...

Its okay to be provocative and forceful.

El Pollo Raylan said...

Althouse wrote: I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.

Perhaps Meade should buy and install one of these at Meadhouse. Note that the user remains standing.

ndspinelli said...

Inga is trying to compete w/ edutcher in the ass kissing competition. I still put my money on edutcher. He really believes what he says. He loves Annie. Inga needs love.

Inga said...

Or, cut muster.....

Inga said...

Spinelli,
If I agreed with the devil himself I would say so, it's my right, don't like it, too bad.

AllenS said...

I believe that it's cut the muster.

SOJO said...

Freeman and Althouse may have kicked ass with decorum, but may others did not. My opinion of several of the (male?) commenters has been lowered. They need to be held to the same standard as Freeman/Althouse and they are not. They just splooge their nastiness all over the place, then piss and moan about it.

edutcher said...

Inga said...

I've been waiting a while for the "real" Althouse. I'm glad I was witness to her coming out", lol!

Kick ass!


In that case, I wouldn't turn my back on her, if I were you.

Besides, what makes you think this is the "real" Althouse?

Maybe she has problems she can't quite see her way through like everybody else, maybe she isn't feeling well, maybe she's worried about her sons, or Meade, or the turn the country has taken - especially with regard to Constitutional rights.

Maybe it worries her you think you know the "real" Althouse.

El Pollo Raylan said...

Please no one divulge the link to that device to Andrew Sullivan in the context of Alec Baldwin's recent tweets. It's not a sybian for retifists.

edutcher said...

ndspinelli said...

Inga is trying to compete w/ edutcher in the ass kissing competition. I still put my money on edutcher. He really believes what he says. He loves Annie. Inga needs love.

Are you going to give it to her?

nd needs to feel like a tough guy, so he writes like this.

dreams said...

Sometimes being nice just doesn't cut it.

Inga said...

"Maybe she has problems she can't quite see her way through like everybody else, maybe she isn't feeling well, maybe she's worried about her sons, or Meade, or the turn the country has taken - especially with regard to Constitutional rights."

7/6/13, 5:33 PM

Oy! He never learns his lesson, lol.

edutcher said...

AllenS said...

I believe that it's cut the muster.

I always heard it pronounced cut the mustard because the mustard plant is very tough.

edutcher said...

Inga said...

Maybe she has problems she can't quite see her way through like everybody else, maybe she isn't feeling well, maybe she's worried about her sons, or Meade, or the turn the country has taken - especially with regard to Constitutional rights.

Oy! He never learns his lesson, lol.


Stick your lol where it don't shine.

Like all Lefties, the She Devil of the SS can't take a dose of her own medicine.

AllenS said...
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PoNyman said...

For the first time in my life I found a quote that I'd accept as a bumper sticker on my car.

Don't Be a Splooge Stooge!

Anyone up for making the design?

AllenS said...

From the Urban Dictionary --

nice guys finish last

871 agree, 413 disagree

It basically means that you will never have any sex whatsoever in your life if you don't treat women like shit.

Inga said...

How about a used limp condom in a circle with the line through it?

Inga said...

No that might be misconstrued to mean not to use one. Back to the drawing board.

Ann Althouse said...

"Maybe she has problems she can't quite see her way through like everybody else, maybe she isn't feeling well, maybe she's worried about her sons, or Meade, or the turn the country has taken - especially with regard to Constitutional rights."

I read that out loud to Meade, and he said "Who's that?"

Me, slowly: "He's totally wrong. He's..."

Meade laughed.

Inga said...

Ed is valued.

somefeller said...

Althouse, you've been on a roll, but please do not start cyberbullying edutcher. Granted, your blog, your rules, but this should be his safe space where he feels valued and validated. Otherwise, carry on.

edutcher said...

AllenS said...

From the Urban Dictionary --

nice guys finish last

871 agree, 413 disagree

It basically means that you will never have any sex whatsoever in your life if you don't treat women like shit.


No, but the price you pay is the alimony and child support garnished.

dreams said...

"I'm strangely reminded me of this Sarah Silverman joke.

That is pretty good, I'm a fan though I don't like her liberal views.

edutcher said...

Ann Althouse said...

Maybe she has problems she can't quite see her way through like everybody else, maybe she isn't feeling well, maybe she's worried about her sons, or Meade, or the turn the country has taken - especially with regard to Constitutional rights.

I read that out loud to Meade, and he said "Who's that?"

Me, slowly: "He's totally wrong. He's..."

Meade laughed.


I was speculating alternatives (you couldn't tell? Oy!) when the She Devil of the SS claimed your distaste meant she knew the "real" Althouse.

So you're saying "Inga", hiding with her 4th child "somefeller" behind Althousian skirts again, really does know the "real" you?

I would start lighting candles right now.

Mark O said...

I've harbored a crush on Freeman lo these many years, but this is not right: "runts around."

She can't mean little men. Runts. She has to mean rut. Webster says:

"an annually recurrent state of sexual excitement in the male deer; broadly : sexual excitement in a mammal especially when periodic"

There's always roguer as a useful euphemism.

Inga said...

Ed, poor Ed, you are once again WRONG, when I said the "real " Althouse I was riffing off of a comment made by Phil 3:14 @ 5:13.



I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.

At some point, lying about on the psychiatrist's couch is just stupid. Now, get up and do something useful.


See, I get that you never held as a goal to be as gracious as Freeman. The problem is that you are delusional if you think you succeeded at what your goal was, unless it was to cause people to have less respect for you and be less likely to take seriously anything you say.

You failed to inspire anyone to get off the psychiatrist's couch, dearie. I'm not sure that anyone actually is on the couch.

And I spend every day raising four kids to be decent human beings who will not turn out as sad sacks having meaningless dangerous sex to fill the holes in their postmodern souls. So if you don't mind, I do think I am doing something useful. Can't speak for other commenters, but my conscience is clear.

Inga said...

And Ed! Keep it straight 4 children, 3 grandchildren, sheesh. I reminded you of this just a couple hours ago. Write it down on a sticky and put it on your computer monitor.

dreams said...
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Jason said...

Needs a #shitfreemansays tag.

Freeman Hunt said...

I...this is not right: "runts around."

Yes. Should have been "ruts around."

deborah said...

Let's have Freeman's blog linked.

Ann Althouse said...

"Yes. Should have been "ruts around.""

Yeah, I noticed that. Will correct in the post.

Freeman Hunt said...

I hardly ever blog. No reason to link it.

Freeman Hunt said...

Thanks for the thought though.

Bender said...

Coming from Freeman, I believe all those comments about responsible sexuality, personal self-restraint, and marriage to be sincere. From AA, not at all. That's the difference.

cubanbob said...

Freeman is a good soul who was raised by good souls so its hard for her to truly accept that there are a lot of woman who are bad actors. Most normal men don't knowingly get involved with bad woman. A good con artist doesn't reveal his or hers bad intentions off the bat.

Freeman Hunt said...

It was a good discussion. Note where it happened. This is a special place.

Freeman Hunt said...

Oh, cubanbob, you assume too much. Anyone who thinks my words come from a place of sweet innocence is mistaken.

TML said...

Hey, "runts" is funnier.

deborah said...

y/w I'd be interested in your boys' homeschooling adventures.

fivewheels said...

I'm with Cubanbob. One paradox of feminism is that one of its central tenets is that men cannot ever understand a woman's point of view, because we do not live with what they live with, deal with what they deal with, see what they see.

Fine. But any time a man tries to share his perspective, he will be shouted down by women (who are not as gracious as Freeman) who assume that they know everything there is to know about the world men live in, and about how women behave toward men. Modern feminists tend to demand a certain respect, yet militantly refuse to reciprocate.

fivewheels said...

Not innocence. But, at the least ... maybe fairness is the right word.

edutcher said...

Inga said...

And Ed! Keep it straight 4 children, 3 grandchildren, sheesh. I reminded you of this just a couple hours ago. Write it down on a sticky and put it on your computer monitor.

No, when you were Mitochondri-Allie, you had a live hubbo and 3 kids.

Lemme guess, the phony 4th one is the Marine "Corpseman".

cubanbob said...

Oh, cubanbob, you assume too much. Anyone who thinks my words come from a place of sweet innocence is mistaken."

Freeman maybe I'm a fool but I honestly believe unless proven otherwise that the commenters here are actually good people. Even the ones I disagree with.

The issue here is that a lot of men are getting tired of having the legal system but the financial burden on them eventhough they have been lied to and defrauded. If these threads weren't about sex but rather about contract law would you, Ann or Inga take the positions the three of you have commented? I'm not advocating that men should never be held accountable but the premise espoused by some of the woman is that life isn't fair so get over it which is fine as long as the door swings both ways. But that isn't the case right now under the current law.

Inga said...

Ed, that is a lie, or once again you are relying on a very faulty memory. Go find the comments in which you claim I said any such thing, I'm getting very tired of you and your ridiculous assertions and unwanted attention.

I try not to pay attention to you, but I won't have you posting bald faced lies about me without correcting you. Honestly don't you have anything better do? It's beyond pathetic already, just stop. Do you think commenters here want to read this shit?

VanderDouchen said...

" Do you think commenters here want to read this shit?"

Cat fight. Go.

meow.

bagoh20 said...

"I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking"

You mean you typed some insults on your computer in cyberspace, set up and burned some straw men, avoided addressing the real arguments offered, then declared victory. Yea, that's showing them something we never see on line. Now tell me how I need to get out of my mom's basement. I never heard that one either.

Palladian said...

The more Althouse shakes, the tighter the chaff clings to the grains.

I think a better strategy is to go totally grain-free.

Inga said...

Ed is a male, a cat fight would be between two females, no? At any rate, poor Ed has Chronic Wrongness Syndrome. It's not fatal, just annoying.

cubanbob said...

Fivewheels, spot on. It's another variant of Orwell's comment about we are all equal but some of us are more equal. I suppose if feminists were truly insightfull they would rue the the enactment of the Equal Rights Ammendment. I suppose they figure they would be immune from unintended consequences.

DADvocate said...

I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.

You kick ass like the guy my 280 lb son punched out a few years ago. The guy went around bragging he was tough because he wasn't killed. You've proven yourself to be the typical, pathetic American female who believes they deserve whatever they demand and the only persons allowed to whine are themselves (being so oppressed and downtrodden). Poor babies.

cubanbob said...

I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking."

My nine pound dog thinks she kicked my neighbors seventy pound dog's ass. Perception can be a funny thing.

bagoh20 said...

"It was a good discussion. Note where it happened. This is a special place."

My take is mostly disappointment because little was learned, the general approach was denial, mockery, and attack. There was a lot of faux victory pronounced. It was one big long "shut up". The opposite of a good discussion. This "special place" was hosted by the one most intent on saying "shut up", probably expecting it would just make more comments, so add in that the d'oeuvres were pure cynicism.

Not one of the better episodes around here.

jr565 said...

Freeman Hunt is an ass, being all magnaminous and conciliatory. Bastard.

Dante said...

And she is in agreement with Althouse, let's not gloss that over.

I don't think Freeman would suggest men have a vasectomy and put their sperm in a sperm bank (though Freeman, if you would, please speak up).

Either Ann's is a completely clueless statement, or it's male baiting. By a bitchy feminist gloating feminist ball buster. I'm not saying it doesn't make abstract sense, but I doubt even 1/10th of 1 percent of young men would do this.

I agree it should not be consequence free if a man gets a woman pregnant too. But I find the feminist and the leftist destruction of the institution of marriage to be disgusting, including the "man in the house" rule that destroyed the black family, as Patrick Moynihan so prophetically predicted.

What are we leaving our kids? We are destroying the male memory of what fatherhood means.

Does anyone think where we are going make sense? Are Ann's ideas a remedy to the underlying damage feminists and leftists have caused to marriage? I don't see it.

There is a world of difference between what Freeman is saying, and what Ann is saying. Ann is saying "Live with the screwed up world we made for you."

And I firmly believe "All men are dogs." Particularly young males who according to one study think about sex every few minutes. Put a stopper on that. Well, women used to, until all these destructive laws came into being.

I wonder what Freeman thinks of those laws.

deborah said...

"No, when you were Mitochondri-Allie, you had a live hubbo and 3 kids."

Unless Trooper has screen caps, you've no proof.

DADvocate said...

Neither Freeman nor Ann are males. They don't know what it's like to be a male. They have no right to criticize or condemn males due to their ignorance on the subject.

If you're not male, you don't know what it's like to be male. you don't know how people see males, how they react to them, you might think you do but you don't. there is anti-male bias in the U.S.

Unlike Dr. Helen who's spent years studying and working to understand men and the hostile world they face, you don't give a shit. Dr. Helen's even written a book about it. You just want to make sure men know their "place" and stay in their "Place," which is to take whatever shit women deal out and meekly smile about it.

cubanbob said...

Dante if men were to ever manup so to speak and push for the abolition of welfare for single mothers who aren't windows most of this crap would end quickly.

somefeller said...

Looks like Ann finally pushed DADvocate over the edge he's been teetering on. Maybe next he can recite Tom Cruise's famous speech from "Magnolia" for everyone's pleasure and to teach Ann a lesson!

rcommal said...

The fact that Freeman Hunt is raising sons makes me smile a lot. I hope she gets to raise some daughters, too. I've met a bunch of people like her in real life, and their kids give me a lot of hope for future. I bet she and hers do the same for people in her life.

Dante said...

Dante if men were to ever manup so to speak and push for the abolition of welfare for single mothers who aren't windows most of this crap would end quickly.

That would definitely help. Women would need to choose men who were going to support the family, and men, driven by their need for sex and female companionship, would become good providers.

That's one of the legs feminists have kicked out from underneath marriage, and it's not healthy for society.

Jay said...

Ann Althouse said...
I needed to kick some ass that needed kicking.


Right.

Mind you from the author of:
I'll cherry-pick some clues as to what I would say if I chose to go hard-core on this subject.

And of course instead of going "hard core" you quoted yourself 6 times, posted idiotic comments refusing to address what was being said to you, offered the absolutely preposterous "society has chosen to put the burden on men to control where they put their sperm." and declared victory.

You're an intellectual lightweight and you get sillier and shriller by the hour.

somefeller said...

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Ann is missing an opportunity here. There obviously is a market for the sort of self-pity she has been criticizing and perhaps it would be better to join her critics rather than fight them.

She should write a book for the DADvocate and Baron Zemo audience. With the right promotion (like on a high-traffic blog, hint, hint) and a good title, much money could be made. Let me suggest a title, taken from a classic film that seems apropos here: "Ow, My Balls!"

DADvocate said...

Looks like Ann finally pushed DADvocate over the edge he's been teetering on.

Can't a guy have a little fun? I live on the edge. Actually, I considered Tom Cruises line from Jerry Maguire, " I am out here for you. You don't know what it's like to be ME out here for YOU. It is an up-at-dawn, pride-swallowing siege that I will never fully tell you about, ok?"

I was just re-iterating the line I had heard so often from blacks and females. Funny how we don't and can't know what it's like to be them, but they know what it's like to be us.

DADvocate said...

"Ow, My Balls!"

Do you have any balls left?

Jay said...

This victim man stuff was hitting a tipping point of absurdity, so the push back is well timed. I write that as someone who adores men and was raised mostly by her father. And I'm proud to say that my dearly departed father would never have advocated such a base vision for manhood, this vision that sees man as a pathetic beast who throws his sperm about with abandon and needs protecting from the women he beds."

Thanks for arguing against a position absolutely nobody was taking.

I love watching Ann use that comment as some sort of validation of an "ass kicking"

When you've finished dancing on that straw man, maybe you can buck up and go hard core - but I doubt it.

somefeller said...

Do you have any balls left?

Why do you ask? Do you need to borrow one?

Jay said...

bagoh20 said...

You mean you typed some insults on your computer in cyberspace, set up and burned some straw men, avoided addressing the real arguments offered, then declared victory.


Exactly.

If I were posting this insane drivel with my photo on the blog and everyone reading knowing where I work and what I do, I'd be embarrassed.

Ann is proud. Which says a lot.

Inga said...

"Do you have any balls left?"
-----------
Why do you ask? Do you need to borrow one?

7/6/13, 7:58 PM

Bwhahahahaah!

Inga said...

Jay is so brave, he writes his insane drivel completely anonymously.

Jay said...

ndspinelli said...
You are 0 for 3, Annie. I can never remember any self deprecating humor from you..I mean never. That's a red flag for me.


Interesting observation.

Inga said...

Yes Jay and Spinelli both post self deprecating humor all the time.

harrogate said...

edutcher, understandably given ways in which he has been exposed lately on this site, lashes out at ndspinelli, writing

"nd needs to feel like a tough guy, so he writes like this."

The way nd writes about baseball alone, makes this attack not only off the mark, but strange.

But still, ed, you are valued here. Take care of yourself this evening.

Jay said...

Inga said...
Jay is so brave, he writes his insane drivel completely anonymously.


inky, ann went away and you can stop trying to ass kiss, so you can go away now.

Thanks.

harrogate said...

Inga, you mean you don't associate Jay with self-depreciating humor? Ha.

I will give Jay this, though: he knows a whole lot that isn't true!

Inga said...

You first. Bye, no one will miss you, sorry.

fivewheels said...

Can we reset this to the beginning? The discussion started with a story of a woman lying about birth control to trick a man into giving her a child she wanted and he did not. He then was forced to help raise this child.

Some men had the audacity to consider that a bad act by a woman. They said the legal framework that allows men to be taken advantage of in this way every day is kind of messed up.

For this, we've had a weekend full of calling men pathetic losers whining on a psychiatrist's couch about victimhood.

Is there any injustice against men that a man could comment on unfavorably and avoid this knee-jerk insult from women? Those who have been doing it, please take a moment to look within yourselves and find an honest answer.

Inga said...

Harrogate, well everything he posts is humorous, I suppose.

harrogate said...

What's Really got authentic comedic value, however, is the fact that so many commenters really seem to believe that men have been under attack in the thread in question. Some of them are even moved to sputtering about how Ann doesn't know what it is like to be a man.

"Men are under attack in the U.S.!", we see the cry go up. Now, while I think this is a silly argument through and through--what's interesting is that Ann herself has given sympathy to that argument many times on this blog. And nothing she wrote this weekend is inconsistent with the strong respect with which she treats men.


Dante said...

Yes Jay and Spinelli both post self deprecating humor all the time.

Does that make them "Alpha Males" in your mind?

Jay said...

harrogate said...

I will give Jay this, though: he knows a whole lot that isn't true!


Right!!! And you could totally demonstrate that too!

Idiot.

El Pollo Raylan said...

Some of them are even moved to sputtering about how Ann doesn't know what it is like to be a man.

Of course she doesn't know--any more than I know what it's like to be a woman--what is your point, exactly...that she plays one on TV?

Jay said...

Remember, the same person who said:

The backbone of society is the married, committed couple who channel their sexuality into making and growing the next generation.

Thinks that all the men interviewed in Helen Smith's book just need to shut up and fix the mess the women created.

Which is like super-duper intellectual and an "ass kicking"!!

harrogate said...

"what is your point, exactly..."


Why, the point is obvious. They are clearly whining, and whining about nothing at all. They are not saying "You don't know what it is like to be a man," as a statement of biological fact, of course. That would be unnecessary! They are saying it as a lead-in to the the idea that men in the U.S. are specially oppressed and cue the violin.

Which, btw, has comedic value.

Inga said...

Sounds like Dr. Helen went to the He Male Woman's Haters's Club for subjects to feature in her book and the Oy Vey chapter of Male Victims of Feminaziism.

Jay said...

harrogate said...
They are saying it as a lead-in to the the idea that men in the U.S. are specially oppressed and cue the violin.


You don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what is even being said.

Given that fact, you may want to take a step back from the computer because you're looking like a moron.

El Pollo Raylan said...

They are saying it as a lead-in to the the idea that men in the U.S. are specially oppressed and cue the violin.

I haven't read Dr. Helen's book, but I think what you're saying is that it's BS? Do I read you correctly?

DADvocate said...

Do you need to borrow one?

You got one? In your mouth?

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

One of my balls is the size of a softball. The other is big enough to be called normal.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

According to Sparknotes, Ken Kesey had some thoughts on this: This passage occurs later in the same discussion that followed McMurphy’s first Group Meeting in Part I. Here, Kesey begins to develop his misogynistic theory about modern society. Harding is talking to McMurphy, explaining that men’s one weapon against women is the penis, and that if men are unable to use rape effectively, they have no chance to regain power in society. Kesey believes that women have learned this, and they now know how to render men’s one weapon useless—in other words, they are all ball-cutters. Where rape is the male means to power, castration is the female way to domination.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

El Pollo Raylan said...

It's obvious that that's what Inga think of the book...

dreams said...

There are always some guys willing to suck up to the feminists.

bagoh20 said...

Blogger fivewheels said...
"Can we reset this to the beginning? The discussion started with a story of a woman lying about birth control to trick a man into giving her a child she wanted and he did not. He then was forced to help raise this child.

Some men had the audacity to consider that a bad act by a woman. They said the legal framework that allows men to be taken advantage of in this way every day is kind of messed up.

For this, we've had a weekend full of calling men pathetic losers whining on a psychiatrist's couch about victimhood.

Is there any injustice against men that a man could comment on unfavorably and avoid this knee-jerk insult from women? Those who have been doing it, please take a moment to look within yourselves and find an honest answer.

7/6/13, 8:09 PM"


I just thought that this great reminder was worth reading again.

I have heard the subject come up many times, I have never seen women take any other stand on it other than what we saw here with dismissal, denial, and excuse making. The added mockery was just embarrassing for grown, supposedly educated women.

Of course there were male assholes going over the top like they do, but the choice was always to pretend they were the only ones talking and to never address the real issues.

These reproductive frauds have never happened to me, and never will, because I actually take Althouse's advice, and do it to the extreme. That's not the point.

What we see is here like if your neighborhood was having a rash of burglaries, and real people and lives were being damaged, but when people wanting to discuss stopping it they were told to stop whining and just move to a better neighborhood. Sure that works, but only if you can afford it, and don't care about the people in your community or it's future. This is a real problem for men and women who actually give a shit. It's not just a gripe. Lives are being ruined, and mostly among the poor, and the less fortunate unable to lawyer their way to fairness. You know the type - those people intellectuals discuss like the natives of New Guinea.

harrogate said...

El Pollo,

In this instance I am speaking of many of the "sympathy for men in Beta minor" comments on these boards. I thought that was pretty fucking clear actually.

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Inga said...

No, no female was ever the victim of the "I'm fixed honey" line. No never.

But how many times has this been rehashed now?

The Crack Emcee said...

dreams,

Althouse is becoming a legend in her own mind, She has proclaimed herself the victor.

Indeed. You'll notice I told Freeman on the other thread that, though I'm living as Ann is now advocating - which opposes how she spoke when I got here - I am doing so, specifically, because of outlooks like Althouse's.

Ann is hiding behind Freeman for validity - basically manipulating.

As someone else has already said, let Ann speak for herself and the evil shines through,...

El Pollo Raylan said...

Inga said...

Sounds like Dr. Helen went to the He Male Woman's Haters's Club for subjects to feature in her book and the Oy Vey chapter of Male Victims of Feminaziism.

@harrogate: It's obvious that that's what Inga thinks of the book. You too?

Don't be afraid to speak your mind like Inga does. Be a man. Your answer above isn't good enough. I want to memorialize your saying that Dr. Helen's book is BS. Don't disappoint.

El Pollo Raylan said...

In this instance I am speaking of many of the "sympathy for men in Beta minor" comments on these boards. I thought that was pretty fucking clear actually.

You're "skirting" the issue in a very passive-aggressive way.

The Crack Emcee said...

Inga,

I've been waiting a while for the "real" Althouse. I'm glad I was witness to her coming out", lol!

Kick ass!


If you think this is kicking ass, you're further gone than I thought:

She's persuaded no one.

You were her on her side already so,..meh.

You're a sad woman.

Inga said...

No actually I'm quite happy and satisfied with my life. You haven't heard me bellyaching about it.

harrogate said...

God the cacophonony of whines. It's like what the Greek Chorus would be of Greek Tragey were badly, whiningly written.

Which again, has comedic value.

The Crack Emcee said...

Inga,

I'm so glad we aren't all clones of one another, how boring would that be? Not to diminish Freeman in any way, but it takes a personality like Althouse's to have had as a succesful blog as she has had for so long.

Being "nice" does not always cut mustard.


Shut. Up.

AReasonableMan said...

DADvocate said...
One of my balls is the size of a softball.


I'd get that looked at.

By a doctor.

Inga said...

You first Crack.

harrogate said...

If.

bagoh20 said...

"You were her on her side already so,..meh."

Well to give her credit, she did swap cheeks and actually kiss both of them. That's something. She's zeroing in on the target now.

Jay said...

harrogate said...

Which again, has comedic value.


In other words, you can't type anything but silly bromides.

There is nothing substantive to what you're typing. All silly generalizations.

I'm guessing that is because you're stupid.

Inga said...
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harrogate said...

Typing on an iPhone, apologies for typos.

Inga said...

Or should I pretend I don't agree and haven't been waiting for quite sometime for Althouse to kick your asses? Sorry, I wear my emotions on my sleeve, if I like and agree with you I'll tell you so, if not I'll tell you so. Don't like it? Oh well.

bagoh20 said...

"One of my balls is the size of a softball. "

I had that once. The doctor stuck a big syringe right in there and suckked out almost 200 ml of PBR. That was painless, but a syringe in the scrotum is worse than an ice cold pool, and when he had his two 20 something nurses patch me up after, well lets say they weren't impressed. Now when I go there I just imagine photos of Joey Heatherton and Barbara Eden the whole time. They don't laugh anymore. The nurses give me same day appointments now.

DADvocate said...

I'd get that looked at.

It would just make him jealous.

As I remember there is a line similar to that in the book, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." I always found it funny. I couldn't find it quote on after searching the Net however. But, it did strike me that Althouse is doing a good Nurse Rachted routine, but she's no Louise Fletcher.

Bwahahahahahaha!!
(I love quoting Inga.)

Ann Althouse said...

DADvocate said: "Neither Freeman nor Ann are males. They don't know what it's like to be a male. They have no right to criticize or condemn males due to their ignorance on the subject. If you're not male, you don't know what it's like to be male. you don't know how people see males, how they react to them, you might think you do but you don't. there is anti-male bias in the U.S. Unlike Dr. Helen who's spent years studying and working to understand men and the hostile world they face..."

But Dr. Helen is a female, so why is her opinion of any value? How could she know what it's like? Or is it just that females can't say anything critical? They're just supposed to soothe you and back you up as you complain about oh-the-pain of maleness?

So there are problems... what do you do about it? Continually beg women to notice how much you suffer? Blame women for your suffering?

And what on earth is your problem again? That if you leave your sperm somewhere and a woman gets pregnant and declines to abort, you might have to pay some percentage of your income to support your own child?

Give me a break.

On the scale of human suffering that barely hits zero.

Inga said...

Ok, now THAT is worth giving pity and solace over, big swollen painful testicles, no joke (I'm only guessing).

fivewheels said...

I haven't read it, but I believe the bulk of the content of Dr. Helen's book is her talking -- and listening -- to men. The key is she gives a shit what they say and think.

The Crack Emcee said...

Inga,

Should I pretend I don't agree and haven't been waiting for quite sometime for Althouse to kick your asses?

To you. Alone. Do you see crowds gathering in agreement? No.

You're delusional, but we knew that already,,...

bagoh20 said...

" That if you leave your sperm somewhere and a woman gets pregnant and declines to abort, you might have to pay some percentage of your income to support your own child?"

I think your concern may be missing someone there, well everyone actually. That scenario is a disaster for all involved and it's killing many communities - not your friends, I'm sure, but people, real people.

VanderDouchen said...

Ms. Thouse speaks again. Rights vs responsibilities. She is now speaking in circles of logic that are dredging a whole to Calcutta.

Cake. Eat it.

harrogate said...

Crack, there are of course crowds already gathered in agreement. Just not so much among this commentariat. Which leaves open some questions to be sure.

bagoh20 said...

"But Dr. Helen is a female, so why is her opinion of any value? How could she know what it's like? "

Well, you could ask her, but I think the reason is she wanted to know the truth, so she listened openly. It's crazy, I know, but I bet she did it.

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El Pollo Raylan said...

Andrea Dworkin was a reptile.

fivewheels said...

It seems like the professor is baffled by the seemingly excessive level of love for Dr. Helen in these threads on gender issues. It can get a little thick. But the reason is pretty simple: She has made it clear she does care about what happens to men, and for men's sake, not only because of how men's status might affect or inconvenience women.

Sadly, this is vanishingly rare. She's politically well to the right of me, and I'm not always on her side, but I have always appreciated that about her. That's why she gets so many shout-outs. And it's why she goes to the front of the line for respect and credibility with some people. She's earned it.

Getting back to the topic of this post, it's the same with Freeman, in a different way and on different topics. I get a similar sense that everyone here respects her, even when we disagree.

jr565 said...

Dreams wrote:

There are always some guys willing to suck up to the feminists.

they call such people betas.

DADvocate said...

Unlike Dr. Helen who's spent years studying and working to understand men and the hostile world they face..."

Is that sentence so hard to understand? For you I'm sure it is because you don't want to understand. You just want to shove your world view down others' throats. If they don't like it they're whiners.

Oh and (since I've seen you don't like the "Oh and", I'll use it to let you claim I'm dumb), I'm mostly just yanking your chain. I thought my follow up comment made that clear. But, Dr. Helen obviously strives to understand and fights for fairness and equality. You do neither. That's what makes her different from you.

The Crack Emcee said...

Getting back to the topic of this post, it's the same with Freeman, in a different way and on different topics. I get a similar sense that everyone here respects her, even when we disagree.

Bullshit. We are out to oppress Freeman because she's got a vagina.

That's obvious.

Bender said...

Can we reset this to the beginning? The discussion started with a story of a woman lying about birth control to trick a man into giving her a child she wanted and he did not. He then was forced to help raise this child.
Some men had the audacity to consider that a bad act by a woman.


This is where it went off the rails, right from the beginning, because Althouse's answer, as best I could decipher those ramblings, was that men should consider every act of sex to be potentially reproductive and act accordingly.

Now that is all well and good as both a biological truth and a moral one, but it is also complete crap coming from her because her entire sexual worldview is that sex is entirely about fun and what the partners insist is love.

Hence her total repudiation of the truth of genuine marriage, not to mention her militant support for the right to kill babies, which by her mindset would extend right up to the moment the baby is moving down the birth canal -- she should be able to "choose to avoid pregnancy" because its her body.

Along those lines, consistent with her real opinion, which is that procreation should have nothing to do with sex, is her statement today that pregnancy and childbirth are a woman's "special burden" and "basic inequity." What a sad example of self-hate for her own womanhood, spewing contempt for the one thing in the universe that makes women unique, to see the wonderful capacity to bear new life as "punishment."

And it is in that light, that sex is primarily about pleasure and making your own meaning in the universe (Casey) so as to justify abortion and same-sex marriage and any number of any things, that she then embraces in the next breath the completely opposite view that the completely natural consequence of sex, and indeed is the main purpose of sex, the potential for procreation.

Even for Althouse, such head twisting around and around in a whirlwind of confused rantings is too much. So getting back to the original issue is rather pointless. It makes as much sense as to try to argue with the drunk derelict who sleeps in the park and spends his days smelling up the library. You cannot reason with those who cannot maintain rational thought.

dreams said...

"And what on earth is your problem again? That if you leave your sperm somewhere and a woman gets pregnant and declines to abort, you might have to pay some percentage of your income to support your own child?"

Some of us are pro-life so that isn't our issue. Being treated fairly by the justice system should be the ideal and when men are getting shafted by a corrupt system, they have the right to try to do something about it. It seems to me that making people aware of the problem is a start.

Peter Hoh said...

Looking forward to the new blog feature that lets me read Freeman's comments and skip the rest.

dreams said...

Liberals can't defend their views because their views are indefensible, plus they are unable to debate because they have never learned how to debate having surrounded themselves with like minded liberals who validate the others' wonderfulness.

Inga said...

Really dreams? So what am I and other liberals doing here on Althouse, somehow we are surrounded by conservatives!

jr565 said...
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dreams said...

"Really dreams? So what am I and other liberals doing here on Althouse, somehow we are surrounded by conservatives"

And I'm not impress with your performance but I'm sure you'll get better with practice but your liberal views will still be indefensible.

Inga said...

I'll try harder to annoy, thanks!

dreams said...

"I'll try harder to annoy, thanks!"

That isn't the point, I don't agree with you.

jr565 said...

Althouse is all about freedom for the women. Men must act like Victorians and simply accept the choice of the woman and respond with money.
Even if it means they become indentured servants. And even if it means that they can never be dads. Even if the woman uses subterfuge to force a man to become a dad.
Note. Back during Victorian days, tht was true as well, at least when it came to pregnancy (not abortion though).
The man had to marry a woman if he knocked her up, if he wanted to stay respectable. I'm sure many women took advantage of that and roped their man into a marriage. But this was before abortion.

If a woman cites inconvenience as an excuse for ending the life of her baby (and the dads baby), then she's exactly the wrong person to be calling men cads for citing that same inconvenience as a reason not to pay child support for a baby that is only there because the woman chose it.

Some women don't want to be moms. Some men don't want to be dads. If you kill your baby you are essentially renouncing your role as a mother. So why then would a pro abortion woman have a problem with a man renouncing his role as a father just because She wants to be a mother? So be a mother. If you were a single mother you would raise it on your own. So since ou chose it on your own, raise it on your own. Or choose not to keep it if you can't afford it. That's the problem with being the sole chooser. You should have to deal with the responsibility of that choice and not force others to live with that choice.

As I said, I certainly wouldn't renounce my kid, if I found out I was a dad, even if the woman got my sperm from a garbage can. But I might try to put her in jail over it, or demand full custody.
but I wouldn't be supportive if a woman killed my kid either. And I would have a lot of problems with ER citing inconvience if she ended its life.

If I was working at a minimum wage job, and didn't want to be a dad, I wouldn't really buy that inconvenience argument if, due to her choice I had to suddenly pay money every month for something I had no say over. It would be kind of like saying that a woman must carry a baby to term. Women bristle at that idea. Why shouldn't men?

fivewheels said...

Also, it probably is a good idea to juxtapose two ideas that have been expressed in these threads:

a) Why do you men hate women so much?

b) Why do you men like Dr. Helen so much?

Think about it.

VanderDouchen said...

insty just posted a dismissive. It was more than three sentences long. Something about women being a bunch of fucking whores who want to have their cock and eat it too.

I might be reading too much into it, though.

sydney said...

It makes as much sense as to try to argue with the drunk derelict

That's what these posts have seemed like to me. A bunch of drunks arguing.

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jr565 said...

Althouse wrote:
"But Dr. Helen is a female, so why is her opinion of any value? How could she know what it's like? Or is it just that females can't say anything critical? They're just supposed to soothe you and back you up as you complain about oh-the-pain of maleness?"

because unlike some she doesn't appear to minimize objections of men as the whining of betas. She seems to maintain objectivity about men's concerns which, gasp, she might even agree have some validity. Where she is on the pro choice meter, I don't know. But I imagine she is even pro choice. (As is Instapundit). But, unlike some she is not ungracious, and might even agree that the existing system creates inequities for men that are legitimate and worthy of more than calling them girly men. In short, she's not a twat.

Leland said...

This is how you folks spent a Saturday?

SOJO said...

It's not a good thing to mess with pregnancy, abortion, etc. and I've never done it. However, many many women do. Bearing this in mind, guys need to take as many precautions as women have had to historically take back when it was the common wisdom that men would say anything to get young ladies into bed and they'd be ruined if they got pregnant while the guy would skate free especially if he had more societal power.

The scales being balanced a little bit in ten thousand years doesn't bother me too much, no, but I acknowledge it's a shitty thing to do, but it wouldn't be possible if guys didn't adopt a strict "don't ask, don't tell" policy and took more care.

On the other hand, the hyperbole of armies of women stealthily lurking around waste baskets is absurd. l

Some guy said it was time for Ann to start shaming the sluts - which is the point - she was.

jr565 said...

By the way, Insty just posted a longer then usual (for him) reponse to Althouse, that kicks her ass, while remaining complementary and cordial to some of her positions. But he does kick her arguments ass,

deborah said...

"This is how you folks spent a Saturday?"

Shamefully, yes.

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President-Mom-Jeans said...

An exceedingly polite bitchslap to our post menopausal fake blonde hostess from Professor Reynolds.

Outstanding.

Freeman Hunt said...

I don't think Instapundit and Althouse are really at odds. I'm fairly certain Althouse would apply her advice to women, and Instapundit is right that giving women that advice is a modern cultural taboo.

Maybe where they differ is that Instapundit would put in the same sorts of laws for men that have been so destructive for women. I'm not sure that's what he's advocating though as much as pointing out how things might be if they were legally fair.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Nothing uglier than professional jealousy between two women, eh Ann?

All those best sellers you wrote . . . oh wait nevermind, I was thinking of Dr. Helen.

Ugly.

jr565 said...

Here's much of Instapundit's point:

"What I think about that advice is immaterial, though on a prudential level “don’t sleep with people you don’t trust” or even “don’t sleep with people you wouldn’t want to be the father/mother of your children” is probably pretty good advice.

It’s also, of course, advice one dare not give to women in today’s society without facing a huge backlash. When Rush Limbaugh suggested that Sandra Fluke should at least pay for her own birth control, he was savaged. But to suggest that a man should pay child support for 18 years because a woman lied about birth control is fine. You can’t say “she should keep her legs closed,” but you can say, “he should keep it in his pants.” That’s fine.

Over the past several decades, women have asserted a right to make all the judgments in matters of gender and sexuality. And, in fact, we do “facilitate” destructive choices, when they’re by women. We subsidize unwed mothers, we give women a pass on sexual behavior that would be considered predatory if it were done by males, we give them all sorts of “choice” that men don’t have and then absolve them, culturally and legally, from judgment over the way they exercise those choices. No similar dispensation is given to men.

A society that ran according to Ann Althouse’s views on marriage and commitment might, in fact, be a better one than the one we live in now, but it is most definitely not the one we live in now.Observing that, and noting the unfairnesses involved, is not “victimology” — though given how successful women have been in obtaining power via victimology, no one should be surprise if men start to give it a try.

But I do not believe that women deserve a monopoly in determining what views on gender and sexuality and parenting are acceptable. Why would they?

What’s funny is that so many women seem genuinely perplexed that men would even dispute that monopoly. Ann is a thoughtful and open-minded and smart woman, but at some level I feel like she doesn’t really get it. But then, that’s what women have been saying to men on gender issues for decades: “You just don’t get it!” Maybe the not-getting goes both ways. The problem is, if society is to accomplish the goals that Ann sets out above, it needs to be a reasonably attractive proposition for both men and women. How are we doing with that? At the risk of stepping on my wife’s turf, I’d say not so well.

Meanwhile, before dismissing the fatherhood-by-fraud stories as urban legends, I do recommend my colleague Michael Higdon’s Fatherhood by Conscription: Nonconsensual Insemination and the Duty of Child Support. How often do they happen? I’d say they’re probably at least as common as abortions that are needed to save the life of the mother. So if you don’t want rare cases to drive the law . . . ."


Simply a better argument than Althouse's and one that makes its point without Insty acting like a jerk.

Baron Zemo said...

You know who else has a wife that has a potential bestseller?

Ndspinelli.

His wife's great new book "Taken for Granted" is excellent and should be a bestseller.

Available for purchase through an Amazon portal that need not be mentioned.

bagoh20 said...

" it's the same with Freeman, in a different way and on different topics. I get a similar sense that everyone here respects her, even when we disagree."

Absolutely!

"This is how you folks spent a Saturday?"

I also tore out a wall in my house and rewired the electrical in three rooms. I can't make babies pop out of my vagina, but if I could, it wouldn't take me 9 months. That's just slacking off with bon bons.


President-Mom-Jeans said...

Oh come now Baron, you most certainly can mention the Instapundit Amazon portal, where you can support his family at no cost to yourself.

Plus Dr. Helen is part cyborg, which is cool.

Elevation.

SOJO said...

On Freeman's point about religion: I read an antiquated book by Flavius Josephus, a Jewish Roman historian- - in which he was questioning Jewish elders about the unfairness of shaming women when they don't curtail their sex drives when the society doesn't shame men.

Firstly, I was stunned that the question was framed in this manner which was very intelligent and fair minded. It's been a while since I've read the book, so give me a break on the exact wording.

The answer was that guys WILL leave and so the woman WILL be a single mother. As part of a small tribe rather than a large society, single mothers were obviously impoverished, miserable, and brought the whole tribe down. They weren't strangers, they were people you saw every day. And the guys disappeared. There was no way to catch them.

So, same difference. Now we have different methods of dealing with it (DNA, nowhere to run, abortion, government/tribe attaching your pay) and so the responsibility is no longer solely on the shoulders of the female, that's all.


William said...

No one here is addressing the issue of predatory females who offer oral pleasure to casual strangers and then use the results of such encounters to turkey baste their cervix in order to get pregnant. The random stranger is stuck with a lifetime of child support payments.....I feel reasonably confident that only a small percentage of the women who post on Althouse have ever used this ploy, but such women exist. I feel that discussions about the ethical disposal of splooge should include such women.

Bob Ellison said...

The "but Dr. Helen is a female" crack is a classic tu quoque ploy. However, someone invited it with the "woman cannot understand what men have to go through".

Can't we all get along and agree that society hates white males?

jr565 said...

Some feller wrote:
Let me suggest a title, taken from a classic film that seems apropos here: "Ow, My Balls!"

that actually would be a good title but not in the way you think. See, when the guy says Ow, my balls, he is actually having his balls hurt. Idiots are laughing at him hurting his balls, but its not whining to remark on your balls hurting if someone kicked you there.
But to Althouse, and women like her, that would be acting like a beta. Pointing out that getting kicked in the balls hurts.
So, yes it would be a good title for a book written by someone minimizing genuine pain suffered by men as whining.

harrogate said...

"Can't we all get along and agree that society hates white males?"

Exactly. Ha!

SOJO said...

@William

Is that a huge problem, really?

I mean ... really? Is it? Are anonymous hordes of females really prowling the streets turking basting men's oral secretions for a check? Is it much much more likely than just a random pick up where a guy doesn't use his own birth control? Really?

In any case, if this were really a huge trend, I'd advise not being pleasured orally by random predatory females.

Look, if we're talking rare but serious consequences, women have to worry about getting their throats slit by random whackos they might pick up and I'll bet in greater numbers than the supposed turkey baster threat. Now THAT has a real chilling effect on sexuality.

dreams said...

"They don't laugh anymore. The nurses give me same day appointments now."

Be careful, you don't want to get suck into child support payments.

bagoh20 said...

"Can't we all get along and agree that society hates white males?".

Just the alphas - they're uppity.

bagoh20 said...

" Are anonymous hordes of females really prowling the streets turking basting men's oral secretions for a check?"

They have taken the place of the hordes getting coat hanger abortions.

Steve Koch said...

Interesting that Althouse decided to rely on Freeman to make her point after previously taking such an aggressive and hostile approach. Might work in this thread but my guess is that Althouse will be reaping what she sowed for a long time.

The Crack Emcee said...

Instapundit Stands Up To Althouse (And Gains Respect)

Steve Koch said...

Ever since I started reading Althouse, she has seemed (to me) jealous of Instapundit. Obviously Instapundit is waaaay smarter, more talented, and more accomplished than Althouse so a bit of envy isn't surprising.

Steve Koch said...

What probably bothers Althouse the most is that she doesn't want men to get politically organized and stand up for men's rights. This realization by men that they are not treated fairly is a first step in that direction. That Helen's book has been a huge success must be hugely irritating to Althouse on more than one level.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Can't we all get along and agree that society hates white males?"

Oh posh. We're trapped in limited paradigms. Althouse has to think we hate gays, too, because she can't imagine anything else. That's the problem. We fight over bullshit.

And contrived bullshit at that.

Gahrie said...

You cannot reason with those who cannot maintain rational thought.

What puzzles me is that she often boasts about this handicap as if it was a virtue......

Darleen said...

is like expecting a socially conservative mother or grandmother to be ok with free love.

Don't you mean free lust?

and

TANSTAAFL

Steve Koch said...
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Steve Koch said...

Freeman Hunt said...
"I don't think Instapundit and Althouse are really at odds."

Re: this dispute between Althouse and Instapundit, Instapundit said:
"at some level I feel like she (Althouse) doesn’t really get it."

rcommal said...

So noted.

DADvocate

9:30 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
DADvocate has left a new comment on the post "9 things Freeman Hunt said...":

Do you need to borrow one?

You got one? In your mouth?

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

One of my balls is the size of a softball. The other is big enough to be called normal.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

According to Sparknotes, Ken Kesey had some thoughts on this: This passage occurs later in the same discussion that followed McMurphy’s first Group Meeting in Part I. Here, Kesey begins to develop his misogynistic theory about modern society. Harding is talking to McMurphy, explaining that men’s one weapon against women is the penis, and that if men are unable to use rape effectively, they have no chance to regain power in society. Kesey believes that women have learned this, and they now know how to render men’s one weapon useless—in other words, they are all ball-cutters. Where rape is the male means to power, castration is the female way to domination.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

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Posted by DADvocate to Althouse at 7/6/13, 8:30 PM


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WTF+WTH.

Bob Ellison said...

bagoh20, you say the problem is uppity alphas, but when we go beta, the Althouse says man up! Which shall it be? I stand here in shorts, ready to comply.

rcommal said...

By golly and all mighty, let's all do balance, in whatever-whichever way, by all means. Because--y'know--you all know why.

dreams said...

"Freeman Hunt said...
"I don't think Instapundit and Althouse are really at odds."

Re: this dispute between Althouse and Instapundit, Instapundit said:
"at some level I feel like she (Althouse) doesn’t really get it.""

Which would include Freeman Hunt.

William said...

The naïveté of SOJO is both refreshing and disturbing. Haven't you noticed the prevalence of turkey basters at women's cosmetic counters or the line of turkey basters that Vicoria's Secret recently introduced? If you see a turkey baster in her possession and it's not Thanksgiving, there's a good possibility that you're the turkey. All men should be on their guard and turn down unsolicited offers of oral kindness from random strangers.

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